I think there are responsible breeders out there, but the gene pool is small.. and there are few options to diversify their stock. IVF will hopefully help, as costs come down.
Personally, I have a rescue mutt.. because I know how many existing animals need homes. But if you are looking for a winning race horse, a champion sheep dog, or a domestic parrot.. you're probably going to have to purchase from a breeder.
It's this word "control" that I am trying to get an answer to. I am still not seeing a solution.
It's there in black and white. Several solutions, so I don't see how you can say you can't see one. 1. Construct a large run/cage in your own garden. We used to have rabbits - I made one for them. Same principle. If I wanted to keep snakes, lizards etc I'd have to keep them securely in a purpose built enclosure and tanks. 2. Walk them on a lead like people who own dogs do, and as scroggin has described. I have a neighbour who does exactly that. His cats don't appear in gardens killing birds , cr***ig everywhere etc. 3. Keep it indoors.
Don't have one if you can't fulfill any of those criteria. Simple.
I'm with wild edges. Denial is evident here so I'm off. 'Head' and 'brick wall' springs to mind.
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Or a cat proof fence. As has been said lots of solutions have already been posted and ignored. You don’t agree that cat owners (or carers?) should be responsible for their pets, that’s your viewpoint, and you are entitled to your opinion. There are no practical reasons why they couldn’t be treated in the same way as any other pet though.
I'm not sure I can explain this in a way that you're going to understand so I'm not going to waste any more of my time. If you want to add balance to this thread then arguing from an ignorant and selfish viewpoint isn't going to help your case.
When you resort to calling a poster "ignorant" because they disagree with your opinion then you have lost the argument wild edges.
How many cats have you seen on a lead? Have you tried to walk a cat on a lead yourself? This is getting ridiculous now 🙄.
I've seen quite a few cats being walked on and off lead, often with a dog alongside. It can be done so I wouldn't regard it as ridiculous!
On and off the lead scroggin? Doesn't that count as roaming 🙂
However we could start by requiring all cat owners having to pay a license fee. This could fund a capture program for feral cats, they can then be neutered at least.
I would agree with that scroggin but not to cull or euthanise them.
That fence thing...Did I not suggest that people should lobby fence manufacturers rather than Parliament to make affordable fences like that? I think I did jellyfire.
That fence thing...Did I not suggest that people should lobby fence manufacturers rather than Parliament to make affordable fences like that? I think I did jellyfire.
Sorry I don’t recall that, I was just going on your post above where you said you had yet to see a sensible solution. There are many reasonably priced options on the market, including toppers to add onto existing fences. That’s seems like a reasonable solution for many situations doesn’t it?
Lobbying manufacturers I can’t see making much difference myself. They follow market forces, so if there’s is demand, competition rises and prices fall. Lobbying cat owners would be a better idea imo :)i
I had a look and from memory the only idea I found was to hang brackets at intervals round fencing and cover them with netting. That would keep my cats in, but trap any other cats in too. Also, I would have to get my neighbours permission to cat proof from his side and I have a fairly large garden for the suburbs so that all seemed unworkable.
I have already said I am not averse to keeping my cats in the garden, but have not found a workable or affordable solution which is why when posters talk of control I am asking for ideas apart from keeping them indoors.
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I think there are responsible breeders out there, but the gene pool is small.. and there are few options to diversify their stock. IVF will hopefully help, as costs come down.
Personally, I have a rescue mutt.. because I know how many existing animals need homes. But if you are looking for a winning race horse, a champion sheep dog, or a domestic parrot.. you're probably going to have to purchase from a breeder.
It's there in black and white.
Several solutions, so I don't see how you can say you can't see one.
1. Construct a large run/cage in your own garden. We used to have rabbits - I made one for them. Same principle. If I wanted to keep snakes, lizards etc I'd have to keep them securely in a purpose built enclosure and tanks.
2. Walk them on a lead like people who own dogs do, and as scroggin has described. I have a neighbour who does exactly that. His cats don't appear in gardens killing birds , cr***ig everywhere etc.
3. Keep it indoors.
Don't have one if you can't fulfill any of those criteria.
Simple.
I'm with wild edges. Denial is evident here so I'm off. 'Head' and 'brick wall' springs to mind.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
You don’t agree that cat owners (or carers?) should be responsible for their pets, that’s your viewpoint, and you are entitled to your opinion.
There are no practical reasons why they couldn’t be treated in the same way as any other pet though.
That fence thing...Did I not suggest that people should lobby fence manufacturers rather than Parliament to make affordable fences like that? I think I did jellyfire.
Lobbying manufacturers I can’t see making much difference myself. They follow market forces, so if there’s is demand, competition rises and prices fall. Lobbying cat owners would be a better idea imo :)i
I have already said I am not averse to keeping my cats in the garden, but have not found a workable or affordable solution which is why when posters talk of control I am asking for ideas apart from keeping them indoors.