Herbstfreude is just the German way of saying Autumn Joy and I suspect was probably its original name as it is the name given to the group.
Probably angliciised by the nursery trade so as not to put off the customers, like my rose Zigeuner Knabe/Gypsy Boy. The trade doesn't seem to mind French names as much though, plenty of roses with them. Prejudice or what?
I dunno - what about all those German miscanthus and heleniiums. Butterpat would be a good one for you but I may just have to find some Dunkle Pracht. Wonderful name.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
I can understand the frustration when a familiar (and easily remembered) taxon name such as aster gets changed for a more obscure name such as symphiotricum. But these changes are scientifically motivated, there are that many and it's worth making the effort of learning them (if you so wish).
Obelixx you make a good point about using the Latin/scientific names for plants when talking plants with gardeners of different languages. The Latin/scientific names are universal, that's their strong point.
The person or persons who first discover any plant was the person who named it and quite right.
Then came along a bunch of nobodies wanting to make a name for themselves and start on renaming plants which already had been named.
When they go home at night they proudly announce to their BETTER half, darling I have just given a new name to a plant that everyone else had wrongly named!
A bunch of Little Jack Horners, ---- what a good boy am I.
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My mind is boggling. This is ridiculous.
'You must have some bread with it me duck!'
Herbstfreude is just the German way of saying Autumn Joy and I suspect was probably its original name as it is the name given to the group.
Probably angliciised by the nursery trade so as not to put off the customers, like my rose Zigeuner Knabe/Gypsy Boy
. The trade doesn't seem to mind French names as much though, plenty of roses with them. Prejudice or what?
I dunno - what about all those German miscanthus and heleniiums. Butterpat would be a good one for you but I may just have to find some Dunkle Pracht. Wonderful name.
The botanical name changes have already been discussed on this forum, see e.g. http://www.gardenersworld.com/forum/plants/who-knew/1002484.html
I can understand the frustration when a familiar (and easily remembered) taxon name such as aster gets changed for a more obscure name such as symphiotricum. But these changes are scientifically motivated, there are that many and it's worth making the effort of learning them (if you so wish).
Obelixx you make a good point about using the Latin/scientific names for plants when talking plants with gardeners of different languages. The Latin/scientific names are universal, that's their strong point.
The other strong point about name changes is that anyone can challenge them.
It used to be the International plant nomenclature committee based at Kew, but that was a while back so maybe the name or base has changed.
Anyone can put forward a reason why a name needs to change and, if considered to have merit, it'll be looked at.
I love the name Schizostylus and I'll continue to use it, although I accept your argument that Hesperantha's an easier name Hosta!.
Sedums will always be sedums here. However, I love the name Herbstfraude and have always called Autumn Joy that
Life's too short
How ironic if the committee's name was changed Hosta....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
I wrote "But these changes are scientifically motivated, there are that many..."
Sorry, that should have been "... there aren't that many".
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The person or persons who first discover any plant was the person who named it and quite right.
Then came along a bunch of nobodies wanting to make a name for themselves and start on renaming plants which already had been named.
When they go home at night they proudly announce to their BETTER half, darling I have just given a new name to a plant that everyone else had wrongly named!
A bunch of Little Jack Horners, ---- what a good boy am I.
Jimmmy says
"Then came along a bunch of nobodies wanting to make a name for themselves and start on renaming plants which already had been named."
Sorry, but that's just plain tosh.
No, he's right.