You say they are planted deep ? So chop them hard back, they will send up new shoots, you need to aim for a large rootstock, maybe 30 cms across, buried quite deep, with 20 or 30 stems coming from it, then you will have a clematis worth talking about, Star of India and Ville de Lyon are both excellent cultivars, both very old, but they take a few years to establish, concentrate on the roots, forget the stems and flowers.
Thanks Richard Hodson. Well I did plant them as deep so okay I will take a chance and do that. Do clematis sometimes produce flowers with 4 petals and sometimes more than 4? I was surprised when I saw it was a small flower with 4 petals because I thought it would be larger flowers with 5/6 petals.
Actually clematis don't have petals, they have tepals, but that is irrelevant. A mature Star of India should have very large flowers, purple with a red bar, and yes some clematis have 4, 5, 6 tepals on flowers on the same plant. This is Star of India here growing through a shrub rose Ballerina.
Oh how lovely, thank you for posting those photos for me to see Richard. How does one grow it through a rose? I have Ballerina rose in the garden too. It's the only shrub type rose I have. But I wouldn't know where to put the clematis - the rose is really old, still performing well, but underneath it is like a small tree so I don't think there is anywhere underneath it to but the clematis.
The flower which appeared on my Star of India, didn't look like those. It was just very small, then it just shrivelled up due to its illness or whatever. But from youur second photo I can see now that one clematis can have many different sizes and tepal numbers.
We don't have any proof that your plant actually is Star of India, often these imported small liner clematis sold by the multiples are wrongly labelled or sometimes the labels get mixed up, only time will tell. How big is the Ballerina rose ? A blue/purple herbaceous integrifolia clematis growing through it would certainly make a great feature, easy, no maintenance, but lots of flowers over the Summer months.
The herbaceous clematis are almost like a perennial in their habit wakeshine, in that they are more lax in growth rather than climbers, in the way we normally think of those. You would have them scrambling through other shrubs, but you may have to 'encourage' them a bit to go where you want them.
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Richard - do the herbaceous clematis require the same care generally as the climbers? I'm hoping to plant a couple here as I feel they would be a really good addition to a border or two
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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You say they are planted deep ? So chop them hard back, they will send up new shoots, you need to aim for a large rootstock, maybe 30 cms across, buried quite deep, with 20 or 30 stems coming from it, then you will have a clematis worth talking about, Star of India and Ville de Lyon are both excellent cultivars, both very old, but they take a few years to establish, concentrate on the roots, forget the stems and flowers.
Thanks Richard Hodson. Well I did plant them as deep so okay I will take a chance and do that. Do clematis sometimes produce flowers with 4 petals and sometimes more than 4? I was surprised when I saw it was a small flower with 4 petals because I thought it would be larger flowers with 5/6 petals.
Actually clematis don't have petals, they have tepals, but that is irrelevant. A mature Star of India should have very large flowers, purple with a red bar, and yes some clematis have 4, 5, 6 tepals on flowers on the same plant. This is Star of India here growing through a shrub rose Ballerina.
Herbaceous clematis Arabella has some flowers with 4, and some with 5, tepals.
Oh how lovely, thank you for posting those photos for me to see Richard. How does one grow it through a rose? I have Ballerina rose in the garden too. It's the only shrub type rose I have. But I wouldn't know where to put the clematis - the rose is really old, still performing well, but underneath it is like a small tree so I don't think there is anywhere underneath it to but the clematis.
The flower which appeared on my Star of India, didn't look like those. It was just very small, then it just shrivelled up due to its illness or whatever. But from youur second photo I can see now that one clematis can have many different sizes and tepal numbers.
What's a herbaceous clematis? Sounds interesting.
We don't have any proof that your plant actually is Star of India, often these imported small liner clematis sold by the multiples are wrongly labelled or sometimes the labels get mixed up, only time will tell. How big is the Ballerina rose ? A blue/purple herbaceous integrifolia clematis growing through it would certainly make a great feature, easy, no maintenance, but lots of flowers over the Summer months.
The herbaceous clematis are almost like a perennial in their habit wakeshine, in that they are more lax in growth rather than climbers, in the way we normally think of those. You would have them scrambling through other shrubs, but you may have to 'encourage' them a bit to go where you want them.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
This is clematis integrifolia, only grows about 3 ft. tall, lovely blue bells followed by gorgeous seedheads, hardy and non-climbing
Richard - do the herbaceous clematis require the same care generally as the climbers? I'm hoping to plant a couple here as I feel they would be a really good addition to a border or two
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...