I'm in a rural location so blackspot can be a problem. I've more or less given up on DA roses as they have not proved long lived or trouble free. My rugosas, R Moyesii Sealing Wax, R. Zigeuner Knabe (Gypsy Boy), Maidens's Blush, William Lobb, Dentelles de Malines and Rosamundi all thrive without special attention, either without any bs or only in a very mild form. I've had most of them for over 20 years. Two new ones that have done well so far are Gardener's Glory and 'For your eyes only' which have survived in the presence of black spot without succumbing.
I grow hybrid tea's,most of them from Cants Roses and Fryers but lately found very weak plants so bought a potted one from the local gc which is doing well.Most of them get black spot at the end of the summer,I don't spray them and they do recover the next year
To add to previous post .. Rosa Aloha and Morning Jewel. Agree with Landlubber and Dove, Bonica is one of the best repeat flowering shrub roses, it's in my garden almost 20 years now along with and others I already mentioned. Took cuttings of Buff Beauty last Summer and they rooted. Will take cuttings of more of my old roses as am afraid in time, I may find it hard to source replacements.
Nearly all my roses are David Austin. I don't get much black spot except on Constance Spry and Zephirine Drouhin and the birds deal with aphids. What worries mine more is winter which can be long and wet and very cold.
Gertrude Jekyll, Sceptr'd Isle, Generous Gardener, Teasing Georgia, Queen of Sweden and Crocus Rose all do very well. Falstaff looks to be OK. William Shakespeare is a wuss and Malvern Hills doesn't like cold east winds. Who does?
Tess of the D'Urbevilles is happy since I moved her to a spot less prone to east winds. Hot Chocolate and Jaqueline Dupré are only a couple of years old so not yet tested. I've had to rescue Geoff Hamilton, Munstead Wood and Graham Thomas and keep them in pots in the greenhouse over winter to protect their roots and get them going again. Might just keep them in pots.
I like repeaters and perfume so don't do old roses.
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Thank you, Hortico! Over the years I have tried everything: stripping all the old foliage; regular spraying regimes; feeding with trace elements (Epsom salts seemed to be good against mildew). But it was a huge amount of effort invested in a battle which I always lost as work caught up over the course of the year and I couldn't be as rigorous about doing the spraying. Plus, while not an organic gardener, I will only use insecticides in the case of the alien invader, lily beetle, and then only once and when they are in the larval stage--this has wiped out lily beetle in my garden completely. So the aphids had it.
So these days for roses, and especially with my very strange soil and enclosed garden, I am gradually phasing out anything that's languishing. I find my affections only endure for things which seem to enjoy my company and attentions--fickle aren't I
I've just remembered that Mutabilis in my last but one garden used to be nigh on disease free, also Rose de Resht, Little White Pet and Francis E Lester. Even earlier than that I grew Ispahan which seemed fine. Vague memories of Debutante being good too.
One or two had only such a small amount of disease that I would grow them again; Charles de Mills and Ferdinand Pichard spring to mind, also Alfred de Dalmas.
But Juno, Boule de Neige, Belle de Crecy, New Dawn, Crocus Rose, Aloha, The Generous Gardener, while vigorous, were so disfigured by disease that I wouldn't repeat the experience.
I have tried the odd rugosa (Roseraie de l'Hay stands out in my memory as particularly lovely). But tbh they are so different from other roses that I wouldn't grow them together any more. To my mind they suit a wild garden best.
My general feeling is that old roses are probably the best bet, as anything that has survived for a century or more has to have something going for it! Some of the species may be the same,but there may be some that are more susceptible.
My roses have it tough, the climate here is not perfect for them, and they don't get coddled with lots of feed, never spray with anything. Dentelles de Malines, a very pretty, pale pink rambler, Zigeuner Knabe, deepest red, with a golden heart and a wonderful perfume, and Maiden's Blush are growing happily in a damp, part shaded meadow, with Sealing Wax among shrubs very nearby. They get no attention from me apart from my love of their flowers and minimal pruning to remove dead or very old wood. They perform every year without major disfigurement. Rosa Mundi leaves do get some dark patches in summer that dim the green a little, but it doesn't lose its leaves and the flowers are so wonderful and fragrant that I don't mind that at all.
Gertrude Jekyll didn't survive for me, or Sweet Juliet; the Dark Lady is hanging on in there, but is almost entirely defoliated every summer. Though the flowers are lovely and smell good, they have weak necks and droop somewhat. Not a favourite therefore. Sir John Betjeman is doing a bit better, a more vigorous grower and a good flowerer. Though not immune to BS, he hasn't lost as many leaves as his neighbour, Dark Lady.
Shame about your Gertrude Jekyll. My David Austin roses seem more disease resistant than others, but I have most in pots and I feed and water them a lot. The ones in the ground need more watering than other roses I think. I have a climbing "The Pilgrim" which never shows any sign of disease. Lady Emma Hamilton did very well last year, but I've only had her for 2 years.
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Interesting to hear about Dentelle de Malines, Buttercupdays--I've often admired pictures but never seen a specimen. I also have a longing to try Spectabilis. Your meadow sounds idyllic, I can almost picture the roses flowering away with a backdrop of cow parsley and suchlike. I recently discovered that there is a new Louis Lens rose bred from R. pimpinellifolia, but, like Stanwell Perpetual, repeat flowering, called Mon Amie Claire, which I really fancy! (Although am down to growing Rose de Meaux in a tub at this point, spacewise).
Somebody mentioned Mayflower in an earlier post and I have certainly seen a wonderful specimen of this with not a speck of disease--so perhaps there is hope yet for DA roses.
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You were not kidding with that Rosa Bonica - what a lovely pink rose that is....
I'm in a rural location so blackspot can be a problem. I've more or less given up on DA roses as they have not proved long lived or trouble free. My rugosas, R Moyesii Sealing Wax, R. Zigeuner Knabe (Gypsy Boy), Maidens's Blush, William Lobb, Dentelles de Malines and Rosamundi all thrive without special attention, either without any bs or only in a very mild form. I've had most of them for over 20 years. Two new ones that have done well so far are Gardener's Glory and 'For your eyes only' which have survived in the presence of black spot without succumbing.
Nearly all my roses are David Austin. I don't get much black spot except on Constance Spry and Zephirine Drouhin and the birds deal with aphids. What worries mine more is winter which can be long and wet and very cold.
Gertrude Jekyll, Sceptr'd Isle, Generous Gardener, Teasing Georgia, Queen of Sweden and Crocus Rose all do very well. Falstaff looks to be OK. William Shakespeare is a wuss and Malvern Hills doesn't like cold east winds. Who does?
Tess of the D'Urbevilles is happy since I moved her to a spot less prone to east winds. Hot Chocolate and Jaqueline Dupré are only a couple of years old so not yet tested. I've had to rescue Geoff Hamilton, Munstead Wood and Graham Thomas and keep them in pots in the greenhouse over winter to protect their roots and get them going again. Might just keep them in pots.
I like repeaters and perfume so don't do old roses.
Thank you, Hortico! Over the years I have tried everything: stripping all the old foliage; regular spraying regimes; feeding with trace elements (Epsom salts seemed to be good against mildew). But it was a huge amount of effort invested in a battle which I always lost as work caught up over the course of the year and I couldn't be as rigorous about doing the spraying. Plus, while not an organic gardener, I will only use insecticides in the case of the alien invader, lily beetle, and then only once and when they are in the larval stage--this has wiped out lily beetle in my garden completely. So the aphids had it.
So these days for roses, and especially with my very strange soil and enclosed garden, I am gradually phasing out anything that's languishing. I find my affections only endure for things which seem to enjoy my company and attentions--fickle aren't I
I've just remembered that Mutabilis in my last but one garden used to be nigh on disease free, also Rose de Resht, Little White Pet and Francis E Lester. Even earlier than that I grew Ispahan which seemed fine. Vague memories of Debutante being good too.
One or two had only such a small amount of disease that I would grow them again; Charles de Mills and Ferdinand Pichard spring to mind, also Alfred de Dalmas.
But Juno, Boule de Neige, Belle de Crecy, New Dawn, Crocus Rose, Aloha, The Generous Gardener, while vigorous, were so disfigured by disease that I wouldn't repeat the experience.
I have tried the odd rugosa (Roseraie de l'Hay stands out in my memory as particularly lovely). But tbh they are so different from other roses that I wouldn't grow them together any more. To my mind they suit a wild garden best.
...oh and Marjorie Fair--a very underestimated rose.
My general feeling is that old roses are probably the best bet, as anything that has survived for a century or more has to have something going for it! Some of the species may be the same,but there may be some that are more susceptible.
My roses have it tough, the climate here is not perfect for them, and they don't get coddled with lots of feed, never spray with anything. Dentelles de Malines, a very pretty, pale pink rambler, Zigeuner Knabe, deepest red, with a golden heart and a wonderful perfume, and Maiden's Blush are growing happily in a damp, part shaded meadow, with Sealing Wax among shrubs very nearby. They get no attention from me apart from my love of their flowers and minimal pruning to remove dead or very old wood. They perform every year without major disfigurement. Rosa Mundi leaves do get some dark patches in summer that dim the green a little, but it doesn't lose its leaves and the flowers are so wonderful and fragrant that I don't mind that at all.
Gertrude Jekyll didn't survive for me, or Sweet Juliet; the Dark Lady is hanging on in there, but is almost entirely defoliated every summer. Though the flowers are lovely and smell good, they have weak necks and droop somewhat. Not a favourite therefore. Sir John Betjeman is doing a bit better, a more vigorous grower and a good flowerer. Though not immune to BS, he hasn't lost as many leaves as his neighbour, Dark Lady.
Shame about your Gertrude Jekyll. My David Austin roses seem more disease resistant than others, but I have most in pots and I feed and water them a lot. The ones in the ground need more watering than other roses I think. I have a climbing "The Pilgrim" which never shows any sign of disease. Lady Emma Hamilton did very well last year, but I've only had her for 2 years.
Interesting to hear about Dentelle de Malines, Buttercupdays--I've often admired pictures but never seen a specimen. I also have a longing to try Spectabilis. Your meadow sounds idyllic, I can almost picture the roses flowering away with a backdrop of cow parsley and suchlike. I recently discovered that there is a new Louis Lens rose bred from R. pimpinellifolia, but, like Stanwell Perpetual, repeat flowering, called Mon Amie Claire, which I really fancy! (Although am down to growing Rose de Meaux in a tub at this point, spacewise).
Somebody mentioned Mayflower in an earlier post and I have certainly seen a wonderful specimen of this with not a speck of disease--so perhaps there is hope yet for DA roses.