I find it insulting that whenever someone says they want to go organic or chemical free...some muppet comes in and says "you need to put glysophate on that". You can buy industrial strength vinegar that comes in around 20 percent. You have to use it on a day when there are at least 3 days without rain. I don't bother with the soap. Don't believe it when people tell you there is nothing wrong with glysophate. https://www.foeeurope.org/sites/default/files/press_releases/foee_4_human_contamination_glyphosate.pdf
Will DB, the comments on that link...now that's reading.
Why. oh, why do you only consider acute toxicity ( LD 50) rather than chronic toxicity? The number of studies showing glyphosate toxicity is large and growing. There are a slew of studies examining effects of glyphosate as an endocrine disruptor http://www.examiner.com/article/earth-to-seattle-times-glyphosate-is-an-endocrine-disruptor with the most recent showing it is active at parts / trillion (in environmentally relevant concentrations) at stimulating proliferation of hormone sensitive breast cancer…which vinegar, soap and salt certainly do not. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170 Glyphosate also uncouples oxidative phosphorylation (in our energy factories- mitochondria) and its toxicity is potentiated by adjuvants- not analyzed in toxicity studies. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16263381
The metabolic pathways affected by glyphosate are also found in the beneficial bacteria in your gut. What do you think the knock on effects of that are? It also affects the bacteria in the soil – again , knock on effects?
I find that if the unwanted plants are well established and have strong root systems like nettles and brambles then there is no better solution than to dig them up, guaranteed success, enchanting satisfaction and no harm done!
Then all you have to do is spray vinegar mixed with a little washing up liquid on seedlings or residual root sproutings. It DOES work, you just have to keep on top of it!
My garden is almost weed free all of the time, except where i share boundary fences with neighbors who don't attend to the problem, and there I just yank out the protruding rootstock. It's really easy if you keep on top of it and get them weeds when teeny. Hoeing also works well in dry weather.
i hate the smell of vinegar though! but I love knowing that it is harmless to the soil, my dogs, cats and wild critters☺️
On anything other than really large areas, I'd rather do some proper hand weeding than keep spraying, be it with glyphosate or vinegar. Weeding properly as long as the first and longer than the second.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Well, I don't normally like to be controversial but I get really fed up with people who say they want to garden but they don't want to weed. Weeding IS gardening, in fact it's an absolutely huge and basic part of gardening. The best way to deal with weeds is to get out there on a crisp, dry morning and pull the buggers up. Brambles need to be dug right out, annual weed seedling just need a hoe, but get on with it, it's gardening!
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I find it insulting that whenever someone says they want to go organic or chemical free...some muppet comes in and says "you need to put glysophate on that". You can buy industrial strength vinegar that comes in around 20 percent. You have to use it on a day when there are at least 3 days without rain. I don't bother with the soap. Don't believe it when people tell you there is nothing wrong with glysophate. https://www.foeeurope.org/sites/default/files/press_releases/foee_4_human_contamination_glyphosate.pdf
I only put vinegar on chips
Will DB, the comments on that link...now that's reading.
Why. oh, why do you only consider acute toxicity ( LD 50) rather than chronic toxicity?
The number of studies showing glyphosate toxicity is large and growing. There are a slew of studies examining effects of glyphosate as an endocrine disruptor http://www.examiner.com/article/earth-to-seattle-times-glyphosate-is-an-endocrine-disruptor with the most recent showing it is active at parts / trillion (in environmentally relevant concentrations) at stimulating proliferation of hormone sensitive breast cancer…which vinegar, soap and salt certainly do not. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170 Glyphosate also uncouples oxidative phosphorylation (in our energy factories- mitochondria) and its toxicity is potentiated by adjuvants- not analyzed in toxicity studies. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16263381
The metabolic pathways affected by glyphosate are also found in the beneficial bacteria in your gut. What do you think the knock on effects of that are? It also affects the bacteria in the soil – again , knock on effects?
Why has amateur use of Glyphosate just been banned in France if its safe????!!
I'm in absolute agreement with Sotongeoff and Chapelgirl2
I find that if the unwanted plants are well established and have strong root systems like nettles and brambles then there is no better solution than to dig them up, guaranteed success, enchanting satisfaction and no harm done!
Then all you have to do is spray vinegar mixed with a little washing up liquid on seedlings or residual root sproutings. It DOES work, you just have to keep on top of it!
My garden is almost weed free all of the time, except where i share boundary fences with neighbors who don't attend to the problem, and there I just yank out the protruding rootstock. It's really easy if you keep on top of it and get them weeds when teeny. Hoeing also works well in dry weather.
i hate the smell of vinegar though! but I love knowing that it is harmless to the soil, my dogs, cats and wild critters☺️
There's some helpful info here on using vinegar but beware, it doe snot discriminate between weeds and wanted plants so you must use it carefully - http://www.naturalnews.com/035750_weed_killer_vinegar_Roundup.html
Roundup and all glyphosate based weedkillers are in fact proving to be toxic as levels accumulate in soil, water and thus human and other bodies.
On anything other than really large areas, I'd rather do some proper hand weeding than keep spraying, be it with glyphosate or vinegar. Weeding properly as long as the first and longer than the second.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Well, I don't normally like to be controversial but I get really fed up with people who say they want to garden but they don't want to weed. Weeding IS gardening, in fact it's an absolutely huge and basic part of gardening. The best way to deal with weeds is to get out there on a crisp, dry morning and pull the buggers up. Brambles need to be dug right out, annual weed seedling just need a hoe, but get on with it, it's gardening!
Hear! Hear! Posy ... fancy you and I being controversial
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.