...up to you what you do there of course.... I don't fuss over these things and prefer to give plants their heads for the first year or two.... I can always catch up with pruning at a later time when I see how the plant develops... so for me, no I wouldn't cut anything off until well into next year when I see more of what I've got...at least you won't have to worry about suckers....
Thanks very much. If I don't prune at all, as in not even the two present climbing shoots, will it still develop a strong base with new growth - as Mike said. Obviously I want it to have strong growth as it's on it's own roots and is only pencil width!
..to be honest, I think you're fortunate to have 2 nice stems growing up already for such a young plant... it's difficult to say what will happen as I don't know the name of the rose you have..but own root roses can grow attractively from the base, throwing up their stems in their own time, without that ugly graft union...
...it won't hurt it if you cut them back, you're not going to kill it...but realise that some roses can sulk if they are stopped in their tracks in such a manner at this time of year, and not put on any fresh growth for some time.... this is why I like to give them their heads...that's my way of doing things...others will tell you different....up to you really...can't decide for you as to prune back those fine stems now would not be my way of gardening... but it's not a great issue....climbing roses are usually tough and thrifty whatever we do with them...tolerating neglect and all sorts of rough treatment....
...just past it's best by the looks of it, but probably a great sight when in full bloom I imagine... might be one of the Austin's...they usually are these days..
...here's a photo of a little rose of mine, - flowerless at the moment - that I grew from a cutting, so it's on it's own roots although it looks grafted, but it isn't... it's because it was in the ground and grew a nice shape with lots of stems from the base... nothing to do with my pruning techniques...just left to it's own devices.... but it got attacked by aphids early this year, so I lifted and repotted it...had to cut it back as all flower buds totally destroyed .. it was early in the season and caught me out.....anyway it's sulked ever since...8 weeks..... and I can just now see tiny signs of regrowth...
...it's a charming little rose when in full bloom, and has much history attached... it's such fun growing roses from cuttings I think... don't you..? when it flowers again I shall take another photo.... I hope to see more of yours too, see how it gets on, in the fullness of time...
...just past it's best by the looks of it, but probably a great sight when in full bloom I imagine... might be one of the Austin's...they usually are these days..
...here's a photo of a little rose of mine, - flowerless at the moment - that I grew from a cutting, so it's on it's own roots although it looks grafted, but it isn't... it's because it was in the ground and grew a nice shape with lots of stems from the base... nothing to do with my pruning techniques...just left to it's own devices.... but it got attacked by aphids early this year, so I lifted and repotted it...had to cut it back as all flower buds totally destroyed .. it was early in the season and caught me out.....anyway it's sulked ever since...8 weeks..... and I can just now see tiny signs of regrowth...
...it's a charming little rose when in full bloom, and has much history attached... it's such fun growing roses from cuttings I think... don't you..? when it flowers again I shall take another photo.... I hope to see more of yours too, see how it gets on, in the fullness of time...
Wow! That really is amazing! I hope mine does as well I didn't know you could take roses out of the ground and repot them. I thought their roots may be too extensive. I don't know much about roses though! Yes I love propagation but never managed with roses. They always dry out or they rot no matter what I do. So this time I thought I'd try rooting them in water and it worked! How old is yours now? It looks wonderful. If I let mine flower so early it wont hurt it right? The buds are really small.
..thank you.... it hadn't been in the ground all that long...but didn't even drop its leaves...it may drop some when new growth arrives... I first took the cutting about 3 years ago I think...from a container grown plant in Kent...the cutting was about 8 inches long...I transported it wrapped in damp tissue, during the summer...to my garden in North Cambridgeshire...several hours drive... put in the ground and it rooted by following Spring... amazing really...
..it's also a rose with a great history if somewhat obscure... it is known variously as Rosa x odorata 'Sanguinea'...Rosa 'Bengal Crimson' or 'Bengal Beauty'...and also rosa Indica Bengal Beauty... or Rosa chinensis 'Sanguinea'... amongst many others!...lol...
...it probably dates prior to 1818 and came to England from China via Bengal... no one knows its Chinese name...but it's thought to be very close to Rosa chinensis and of course it's this rose's genes that gives modern roses today their repeat flowering abilities... China roses are also unique in that the flowers change colour.... Bengal Crimson does the same... in cold weather they are dark pink...in warm weather they are dark red...
..I grew this rose on the south coast where I had it in full leaf and masses of flowers in mid-January, -5 deg c. covered with snow and frost...yet it didn't bat an eyelid and when thawed it just carried on the same... if it is mild in December, it will continue to produce flower buds...although I think it's at its best in May/June..when the flowers are dark red...
...at the Chelsea Physic garden in London they have a big bush of it, like a climber...I know this one I have remains short...and it's possible mine is a short growing sport called 'Miss Lowe'.... they need rich soil and careful cultivation...and perhaps they are not the roses for modern gardeners, unless you have a specific interest in historic types like these....consequently you would rarely find this in a garden centre...although saying that..I bought the original plant at RHS Wisley where they also grow it in their garden...
...so you see...a rose with such connections....I just cannot get rid of it...and must make sure I give it its best next time it goes in the ground...
...back to yours...and if you ask me, which you have, then I am bound to tell you to allow your own root rose to do its own thing for a while...I don't like to 'check' them in any way at this stage...so if it wants to flower...let it flower.... any remedial work can be done much later when it's grown on a bit....
..sorry to draw this out...but I should add that, regarding your rose, having spent so much time and patience...I don't like to miss out on the flowers - it gives one such satisfaction when grown from a cutting... and of course this presents us with the opportunity to prune back after flowering..as the flowers won't last long..thereby satisfying all requirements here... then wait and see how it shoots out after that...
Now that's some history! wow impressive. I can imagine how satisfying it must be to be have been able to propagate. I guess one can never really tell how they react to the weather either. Some just surprise us! Thanks for all the advice. I will keep you posted on how it does and hopefully will have two flowers soon...which I'm sure will be quite small in size! Satisfying just the same though! Hopefully they will smell as nice as the mother plant too!
This rose cutting was taken from a yellow coloured rose. The flowers haven't opened but the bud seems pink on the outer layer where a bit has peeled off. Could it be that it doesn't breed true from a cutting? there is a pink rose bush adjacent to the one I took the cutting from.
Posts
Thanks very much. If I don't prune at all, as in not even the two present climbing shoots, will it still develop a strong base with new growth - as Mike said. Obviously I want it to have strong growth as it's on it's own roots and is only pencil width!
..to be honest, I think you're fortunate to have 2 nice stems growing up already for such a young plant... it's difficult to say what will happen as I don't know the name of the rose you have..but own root roses can grow attractively from the base, throwing up their stems in their own time, without that ugly graft union...
...it won't hurt it if you cut them back, you're not going to kill it...but realise that some roses can sulk if they are stopped in their tracks in such a manner at this time of year, and not put on any fresh growth for some time.... this is why I like to give them their heads...that's my way of doing things...others will tell you different....up to you really...can't decide for you as to prune back those fine stems now would not be my way of gardening... but it's not a great issue....climbing roses are usually tough and thrifty whatever we do with them...tolerating neglect and all sorts of rough treatment....
Thanks that's really helpful. I think I will let them grow then! I don't know the name of the mother rose but here is a picture just for information.
...just past it's best by the looks of it, but probably a great sight when in full bloom I imagine... might be one of the Austin's...they usually are these days..
...here's a photo of a little rose of mine, - flowerless at the moment - that I grew from a cutting, so it's on it's own roots although it looks grafted, but it isn't... it's because it was in the ground and grew a nice shape with lots of stems from the base... nothing to do with my pruning techniques...just left to it's own devices.... but it got attacked by aphids early this year, so I lifted and repotted it...had to cut it back as all flower buds totally destroyed .. it was early in the season and caught me out.....anyway it's sulked ever since...8 weeks..... and I can just now see tiny signs of regrowth...
...it's a charming little rose when in full bloom, and has much history attached... it's such fun growing roses from cuttings I think... don't you..? when it flowers again I shall take another photo.... I hope to see more of yours too, see how it gets on, in the fullness of time...
Wow! That really is amazing! I hope mine does as well
I didn't know you could take roses out of the ground and repot them. I thought their roots may be too extensive. I don't know much about roses though! Yes I love propagation but never managed with roses. They always dry out or they rot no matter what I do. So this time I thought I'd try rooting them in water and it worked! How old is yours now? It looks wonderful. If I let mine flower so early it wont hurt it right? The buds are really small.
..thank you.... it hadn't been in the ground all that long...but didn't even drop its leaves...it may drop some when new growth arrives... I first took the cutting about 3 years ago I think...from a container grown plant in Kent...the cutting was about 8 inches long...I transported it wrapped in damp tissue, during the summer...to my garden in North Cambridgeshire...several hours drive... put in the ground and it rooted by following Spring... amazing really...
..it's also a rose with a great history if somewhat obscure... it is known variously as Rosa x odorata 'Sanguinea'...Rosa 'Bengal Crimson' or 'Bengal Beauty'...and also rosa Indica Bengal Beauty... or Rosa chinensis 'Sanguinea'... amongst many others!...lol...
...it probably dates prior to 1818 and came to England from China via Bengal... no one knows its Chinese name...but it's thought to be very close to Rosa chinensis and of course it's this rose's genes that gives modern roses today their repeat flowering abilities... China roses are also unique in that the flowers change colour.... Bengal Crimson does the same... in cold weather they are dark pink...in warm weather they are dark red...
..I grew this rose on the south coast where I had it in full leaf and masses of flowers in mid-January, -5 deg c. covered with snow and frost...yet it didn't bat an eyelid and when thawed it just carried on the same... if it is mild in December, it will continue to produce flower buds...although I think it's at its best in May/June..when the flowers are dark red...
...at the Chelsea Physic garden in London they have a big bush of it, like a climber...I know this one I have remains short...and it's possible mine is a short growing sport called 'Miss Lowe'.... they need rich soil and careful cultivation...and perhaps they are not the roses for modern gardeners, unless you have a specific interest in historic types like these....consequently you would rarely find this in a garden centre...although saying that..I bought the original plant at RHS Wisley where they also grow it in their garden...
...so you see...a rose with such connections....I just cannot get rid of it...and must make sure I give it its best next time it goes in the ground...
...back to yours...and if you ask me, which you have, then I am bound to tell you to allow your own root rose to do its own thing for a while...I don't like to 'check' them in any way at this stage...so if it wants to flower...let it flower.... any remedial work can be done much later when it's grown on a bit....
..sorry to draw this out...but I should add that, regarding your rose, having spent so much time and patience...I don't like to miss out on the flowers - it gives one such satisfaction when grown from a cutting... and of course this presents us with the opportunity to prune back after flowering..as the flowers won't last long..thereby satisfying all requirements here... then wait and see how it shoots out after that...
Now that's some history! wow impressive. I can imagine how satisfying it must be to be have been able to propagate. I guess one can never really tell how they react to the weather either. Some just surprise us! Thanks for all the advice. I will keep you posted on how it does and hopefully will have two flowers soon...which I'm sure will be quite small in size! Satisfying just the same though! Hopefully they will smell as nice as the mother plant too!
Hi again,
This rose cutting was taken from a yellow coloured rose. The flowers haven't opened but the bud seems pink on the outer layer where a bit has peeled off. Could it be that it doesn't breed true from a cutting? there is a pink rose bush adjacent to the one I took the cutting from.
Thanks
Kris
No, a cutting is a clone of the parent plant and will only have the genetic material from that plant.
Some yellow roses do sometimes have a bit of pink on the outer layer - but when your roses open they will be just like their parent.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.