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Very old mystery..id requested

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  • I have grown the tall Rudbeckia Herbstsonne but centre od the flower is more rounded.
    I wondered if it could be a spathe.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    I don't think the leaves are right for anything with a spathe.
    My first thought was that the leaves look like welsh poppies but bigger, but the stems and the seed head remains don't look right.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • Rubytoo said:
    The leaves make me think of some Trollius (laxus etc)
    So Ranunculaceae family maybe?


    I was going to search but my internet search engine is playing up. I don't know about the shape of seed heads. Might be the right shape-ish after all the seeds have gone and weather worn.
    And your plant looks way taller than them too.
    Rubytoo
    Thank you for that suggestion.
    However, as far as I know the leaves of Trollius are palmate.
    Plants never reach the height of mystery plant.
    I have trimmed the  pic of the leaves of mystery plant.
    Mystery plant leaves see below....


    Various Trollius leaves below...
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • I have grown the tall Rudbeckia Herbstsonne but centre od the flower is more rounded.
    I wondered if it could be a spathe.
    GardenerSuze 

    Thankyou for looking.
    Been thinking about plants in UK with spathes.
    They produce berries and plants rot away completely in the winter.
    No woody flowering stalks left.
    Leaves wrong.
    Never grow as tall as mystery plant.
    Pics below show various Arum and Arisaema
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • JennyJ said:
    I don't think the leaves are right for anything with a spathe.
    My first thought was that the leaves look like welsh poppies but bigger, but the stems and the seed head remains don't look right.
    JennyJ 
    Thank you for your suggestion.
    Leaves do look similar.
    But nothing remains of the old flower stalks over winter.
    Below is Papaver cambricum...common name Welsh poppy.


    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    I think @Asarum may be right. I have grown Rudbeckia Laciniata  and the leaves were as in the photo below. I didn't see the seeds heads though because I dead headed them, they used to fall over in the winds of winter.


    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    I thought Rudbeckia laciniata too, but discounted it as it was in the wild. But makes sense as a garden escapee. The cone has been stripped of seeds, leaving the central portion.


    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
    edited December 2023
    Asarum said:
    I think @Asarum may be right. I have grown Rudbeckia Laciniata  and the leaves were as in the photo below. I didn't see the seeds heads though because I dead headed them, they used to fall over in the winds of winter.


    Loxley said:
    I thought Rudbeckia laciniata too, but discounted it as it was in the wild. But makes sense as a garden escapee. The cone has been stripped of seeds, leaving the central portion.




    Loxley said:
    I thought Rudbeckia laciniata too, but discounted it as it was in the wild. But makes sense as a garden escapee. The cone has been stripped of seeds, leaving the central portion.


    Sorted .....Rudbeckia laciniata .
    I was coming round to Rudbeckia this afternoon but delighted to get confirmation.
    Many thanks AsarumBusy-Lizzie and  Loxley 
    Much appreciated.
    I can now label my pics..
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • PalustrisPalustris Posts: 4,307
    That is what I was going to suggest, too. Taller than the one I have, but probably in better soil.
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