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Sowing the seeds: A blooming English horticultural sector

AthelasAthelas Posts: 946
edited November 2023 in The potting shed
Just read an interesting report on horticulture in England from a committee of the House of Lords (6 Nov 2023): https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/41921/documents/208546/default

It covers a wide range of topics – a few snippets below:
  • In England, agriculture accounts for 63.1% of land use; ~5% of land use is classed as private residential gardens
  • The “perfect storm” of global and domestic challenges has put further pressure on the horticultural sector, e.g., Brexit, COVID-19, war in Ukraine with effects on energy and fertiliser costs
  • Reliance on imports with availability of cheaper overseas labour as a driver; a UK farm worker would be expected to earn around £70.70 for a seven-hour day; in Morocco a worker growing tomatoes would earn around £5.50 per day
  • In 2022, the UK imported ornamental plants at a value of £1.5 billion, a 22% increase on 2021
  • In 2022, the UK imported vegetables at a value of £2.7 billion, a 15% increase on 2021; top countries by imports were Spain, the Netherlands, France, Morocco and Kenya
  • From the time children enter school, the National Curriculum fails to give them a good basic knowledge of horticulture and horticultural skills... Horticulture should be put on the curriculum as a stand-alone topic within the science curriculum at all Key Stages
Also has some figures, such as this one showing how much land is used for particular types of crops/plants:

Cambridgeshire, UK
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  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    Interesting facts.
    i can’t see much point in teaching children though,  when they grow up most of it will be automated.
    UK young people just won’t work on farms now,  it will be less so when the next generation grow up.
    A farmer not far from us takes on Eastern European seasonal workers,  they have to show they’re advertising for UK workers as well,  he said of the 37 UK workers he took on,  only one was left at the end of the shift,  whereas the EU workers can earn up to £100.00 a day which is a lot of money in their own country,   one young chap 23 years old,  said he owns two houses now in his own country.
    They have nice accommodation,  mobile homes,  rent free I think. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I think the comparison between wages in Morocco an the UK is meaningless unless you factor in the cost of living in each country.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • I don't think teaching children any horticulture is pointless at all. The problem we have is a disconnection from nature and where our food comes from so getting in early to hopefully, give them an appreciation of it all, has to be worthwhile.
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    At least teaching them how to judge the freshness of fruit and vegetables now that the supermarkets have found a way to offload ageing fruit and vegetables would be an essential life skill
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Thanks for posting the report. Interesting reading
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Learning how the world around us works is important and that applies to plants and soil too, especially now that we know that gardening is beneficial to both mental and physical health and is good fun as well as giving tastier fruit, veg and herbs for those of us who grow our own.


    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • McRazzMcRazz Posts: 440
    edited November 2023
    Lyn said:
    Interesting facts.
    i can’t see much point in teaching children though,  when they grow up most of it will be automated.
    I'm quite surprised at this comment. 

    We didn't see maths removed from the curriculum in the 70's when the pocket calculator was launched.

    Education isn't focused purely on industry and careers. There's much that is taught that is key to peoples understanding of the world around us. Its these key skills that help to make us functioning members of society.

    With regards to automation, a system like this would still require knowledge input. Automation is pretty good at carrying out pre programmed tasks, and perhaps being reactive to certain variables but ultimately its task is to make humans lives easier, not replace them altogether.

    In any case whilst farming is a large part of the 'horticulture' industry its pretty black and white and not all that complex when compared to other parts of the industry. Farming is ripe for automation, but other areas perhaps less so. (Edit - knowing three farmers locally i really don't consider them horticulturalists in the slightest. They're land managers really...and i doubt they would mind me saying that!) 

    It worth bearing in mind that probably 90% of the folk on here that engage in horticultural activities do so in a private setting i.e. their gardens. The opportunity to be educated at a young age in one of the nations most popular pastimes should be enthusiastically encouraged in my opinion.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I rather think most automation is about profits - machines don't need wages or any other human paraphernalia apart from maintenance and a power supply.

    The sowing of seeds, potting on of seedlings and cuttings is highly automated in Dutch and Belgian horticulture for mass produced veggies and plants for horticulture but we will always need humans capable of multiplying non bog standard varieties as well as crossing plants to select new varieties and strains to cope with both climate change and human desire for novelty.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    The schools around here already have little gardens for the children to learn about the usual fruit, veg and flowers, but as for thinking they’ll grow up wanting to work on farms,  I’m sure it won’t.  
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • McRazzMcRazz Posts: 440
    Obelixx said:
    I rather think most automation is about profits - machines don't need wages or any other human paraphernalia apart from maintenance and a power supply.

    The sowing of seeds, potting on of seedlings and cuttings is highly automated in Dutch and Belgian horticulture for mass produced veggies and plants for horticulture but we will always need humans capable of multiplying non bog standard varieties as well as crossing plants to select new varieties and strains to cope with both climate change and human desire for novelty.
    Well, sounds like dem banks is callin' in dem loans an automation is takin' all our jobs so farms is no use to us now neway. Best head down Californi-ay where I hear thems is still got work. We can bury Grandpa in a lay-by longs the way. 
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