Am I killing my rose??

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• gjautos Posts: 429

  July 2023

  That pot looks very small for a rose. Also, it doesn't look as if is planted deep enough. What compost do you have it planted in? Roses are greedy and will need alot of feeding in a pot.

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• Rubiks24 Posts: 8

  July 2023

  gjautos said:

  That pot looks very small for a rose. Also, it doesn't look as if is planted deep enough. What compost do you have it planted in? Roses are greedy and will need alot of feeding in a pot.

  The pot was supposed to be temporary until I found somewhere to plant it. It was doing really well, flowered once and then I dead headed it. It’s just suddenly turned like this. 

  
  

  I planted it in a multi purpose compost and I tend to feed it every week/2 weeks. 

  
  

  Will it survive until autumn do you think, or is it worth repotting now?

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• punkdoc Posts: 15,039

  July 2023

  MPC is totally inadequate for something like Roses, you need something far more substantial. Rose growers all use slightly different mixes, but something that is mainly loam based, like JI No.3 should form the major part of the mix.

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• Rubiks24 Posts: 8

  July 2023

  punkdoc said:

  MPC is totally inadequate for something like Roses, you need something far more substantial. Rose growers all use slightly different mixes, but something that is mainly loam based, like JI No.3 should form the major part of the mix.

  Ok in short I’ve made a mess of this 
  
  I have a bigger pot I can put it in, and I’ll go get some JI no.3 tomorrow and repot it, and will make sure it’s planted deep enough!
  
  
  

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• Athelas Posts: 946

  July 2023 edited July 2023

  Hi @Rubiks, what variety is the rose (I can’t read the label in the photo)?

  I’m very much not an expert but here’s what I would do in general terms:
  

  - Use a pot at least 60cm in diameter and 60cm deep. Maybe 45cm would do for a small rose, but eventually it may need to go in a bigger pot or in the ground.

  - The pot must have lots of drainage holes. 

  - I tend to use a plastic pot that sits within a decorative pot — easier to handle when repotting a few years later.

  - Avoid using a pot shaped like this:

  
  

  - Better shape below — easier when you have to ease the rose out for repotting:

  
  

  - For the potting mix, I would use two thirds John Innes Number 3 and one third multi purpose compost or well rotted manure to counteract the heaviness of the JI3; also a handful or three of horticultural grit for extra drainage.

  - You don’t have to plant it too deep — suggest to keep the graft maybe an inch below the potting soil, but opinions may vary on this.

  - Water the rose thoroughly in its new pot (e.g. with ~12 litres of water) to help settle the soil around its roots.

  - Put the pot up on wooden blocks or pot feet, so it can drain well.

  - Position the pot in the sunniest spot you can provide.

  - Roses will do best outdoors, where there is good air circulation (but not so much wind that will rock them) — not in a conservatory.

  - Water deeply (e.g. ~12 litres of water) when the top two inches of the soil feels dry — this might be weekly but could be every 3 days if it’s been really hot. Keep in mind that a lot of foliage can prevent rain from getting to the pot so just check even if it’s been raining a lot. Being close to a wall/door may also mean it’s in rain shadow.

  - In late winter — I usually do it in February — prune the plant; then scrape off the top couple of inches of compost carefully and replace with well rotted manure; finally scatter a handful of rose food with micronutrients (e.g. Empathy, Top Rose) around the base of the rose and lightly mix in.
  

  Cambridgeshire, UK

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• Rubiks24 Posts: 8

  July 2023

  Athelas said:

  Hi @Rubiks, what variety is the rose (I can’t read the label in the photo)?

  I’m very much not an expert but here’s what I would do in general terms:
  

  - Use a pot at least 60cm in diameter and 60cm deep. Maybe 45cm would do for a small rose, but eventually it may need to go in a bigger pot or in the ground.

  - The pot must have lots of drainage holes. 

  - I tend to use a plastic pot that sits within a decorative pot — easier to handle when repotting a few years later.

  - Avoid using a pot shaped like this:

  
  

  - Better shape below — easier when you have to ease the rose out for repotting:

  
  

  - For the potting mix, I would use two thirds John Innes Number 3 and one third multi purpose compost or well rotted manure to counteract the heaviness of the JI3; also a handful or three of horticultural grit for extra drainage.

  - You don’t have to plant it too deep — suggest to keep the graft maybe an inch below the potting soil, but opinions may vary on this.

  - Water the rose thoroughly in its new pot (e.g. with ~12 litres of water) to help settle the soil around its roots.

  - Put the pot up on wooden blocks or pot feet, so it can drain well.

  - Position the pot in the sunniest spot you can provide.

  - Roses will do best outdoors, where there is good air circulation (but not so much wind that will rock them) — not in a conservatory.

  - Water deeply (e.g. ~12 litres of water) when the top two inches of the soil feels dry — this might be weekly but could be every 3 days if it’s been really hot. Keep in mind that a lot of foliage can prevent rain from getting to the pot so just check even if it’s been raining a lot. Being close to a wall/door may also mean it’s in rain shadow.

  - In late winter — I usually do it in February — prune the plant; then scrape off the top couple of inches of compost carefully and replace with well rotted manure; finally scatter a handful of rose food with micronutrients (e.g. Empathy, Top Rose) around the base of the rose and lightly mix in.
  

  Thank you so much for taking the time to write this, it’s so useful!!
  
  the rose is a champagne moment

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• WAMS Posts: 1,960

  July 2023

  Terrific post @Athelas

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• Athelas Posts: 946

  July 2023 edited July 2023

  @Rubiks24 no problem at all. By all accounts Champagne Moment is a healthy and floriferous rose, hope yours will soon pick up! 

  
  

  If you have any questions/issues you can post them in the rose thread (link below), where there are very experienced rose gardeners, and also you’re very welcome to share photos on there of how your rose is doing 😊
  

  
  Thanks @WAMS — I learned it all from everyone with their generous advice in the rose thread!
  
  https://forum.gardenersworld.com/discussion/1071462/roses-spring-summer-2023#latest
  

  Cambridgeshire, UK

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• debs64 Posts: 5,184

  July 2023

  Excellent advice @Athelas. Just to add roses are tough and I find they respond well to pruning. I would cut off all the dead/ unhealthy bits then follow the advice given and your rose will flourish 

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• Rubiks24 Posts: 8

  July 2023

  debs64 said:

  Excellent advice @Athelas. Just to add roses are tough and I find they respond well to pruning. I would cut off all the dead/ unhealthy bits then follow the advice given and your rose will flourish 

  Thank you, I’ll do that tonight 

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