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Daffodil seed

alfharris8alfharris8 Posts: 513
We are always told to cut the heads from potted daffodils after flowering to maximise the bulbs energy but if you throw the cut head into grass is there any chance at all of germination?
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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    The seed needs to ripen before it will germinate, which it won't do if you cut the heads off prematurely.
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  • alfharris8alfharris8 Posts: 513
    Thanks @punkdoc
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited April 2023
    Monty Don cuts off the seed heads with his snazzy Japanese secateurs.  It leaves the stem damaged and it will die more quickly.  I snap my daffodil seed heads off by hand leaving an otherwise undamaged stem.  More potosynthesis; that must be better.

    Someyears, and on some daffs, I have left the seeds to ripen and distribute.  I have never had any germination.  perhaps the result would be different under controlled indoor conditions.

    Either cutting or pulling, it seems logical to save the plant's energy.  But I have never seen any proof that it works.  We are told with agapanthus that it is OK to leave the seed heads.  We are told with rhodendrons to deadhead, but it is too difficult with azaleas, so we leave them.
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  • ButtercupdaysButtercupdays Posts: 4,546
    I don't deadhead mine in the daffodil meadow, there's just too many and too much else to do. It doesn't seem to have done them any harm. Over the years the clumps have grown bigger and new ones have appeared so germination has clearly happened. The daffodil meadow has expanded onto new territory on its own and the same has happened in other woodlandy bits of the garden, where what were small clumps under trees now cover much larger patches :)

  • alfharris8alfharris8 Posts: 513
    Daffodils seem to be very obliging whatever you do or don't do to them and they seem to get left alone by everything which is a big plus.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Daffodils seem to be very obliging whatever you do or don't do to them and they seem to get left alone by everything which is a big plus.
    apart from slugs... 
    I have loads about to open but the slugs have got to them first.  :|

    Yes - your seed wouldn't be viable once you remove the head as @punkdoc says. They spread more easily by producing new bulbils/bulbs, so it's easier to either let them do that, or actively lift and separate them now and again.
    In the wild, that's generally how they do it, but not all of the cultivated varieties are as obliging, so they often just get congested, and less productive, if left to their own devices. They can come up blind if that happens too, especially in pots. 
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    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    At Chinthurst House (Luytens/Jekyll) daffodil varieties are widely naturalised.  With varieties kept separate.  One area is devoted to Narcissus pseudonarcissus, only this has escaped to the neighbouring hillside.  Where they seem to like the shade of bracken.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
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  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    They don't like full shade.  The flowering of my flourishing patch faded in step with the growth of a Red Oak.  This has now been felled an the flowers are returning.  Snowdops (bog standard singles) were not affected by the shade.

    More formal, large-flowered daffodils (inherited with the house), can't take heavy wind,  rain, or frost.  The slugs wait until the stems bend down before eating them.  Most of our vase daffs are salvaged from damaged flowrs before the slugs have got at them.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
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  • alfharris8alfharris8 Posts: 513
    I have never heard of slug damage to daffodils but I experienced it with potted tulips for the first time last year. I was just having a conversation about how I can't believe we have so many slugs prepared to slide across gravel. 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    They're very persistent here @alfharris8 - I can assure you  ;)
    Usually the plants get a bit of a head start after winter as the weather [frosts/snow/ice] keeps the numbers down a bit, but we've had two mild winters in a row here, and some plants started into growth sooner because of that, which doesn't help. It's the small slugs that often do the most damage - sneaky little b*ggers.
    Just something we have to accept here - you'd spend umpteen hours going out at night and snipping/dispatching them if you wanted to try and keep the numbers down. The early clematis growth is always a problem, but it's how it is. The daffs which have been flowering for a couple of weeks have had some nibbling round the edges of petals which is a pain, although the ones along the little shady, north west facing border are fine - so far, mostly Thalias and some Tresamble. The earliest ones, which are just about finished now, have been fine too, especially one variety. Silver Chimes has had a little bit of nibbling. 

    Nothing stops them. I always laugh when people suggest sharp grit or shells round plants. They laugh at that here - as they climb the crushed shell rendered walls on the house....  :D

    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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