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Clematis Guernsey Cream - rapid browning & crisping of leaves

I planted this Clematis Guernsey Cream in a large planter (43cm x 43cm, on pot feet) last November, following the planting instructions I got (50/50 mix of John Innes #3 and MPC, like this https://www.taylorsclematis.co.uk/plant-care.html). It's on a west-facing wall, shaded by the house all day in autumn/spring and most of the day in summer.

Initially it did well, but over the heat wave the growth slowed right down. It's very possible I under-watered it as the soil always looked soggy and I was concerned about root rot. In September it had a massive downturn, and now it looks even worse. It's growing new leaves (though they don't look too healthy), but the leaves it has already are rapidly turning brown and crispy.

Can anyone help me save this lovely plant please - I can't tell whether it's root rot or underwatering. I emailed the shop I bought it from and they suggested I needed to water more. I've tried that and it hasn't helped. I was thinking of digging it out & checking the roots, but I'm nervous about disturbing it while it's suffering

Photos in next post (it's not letting me upload for some reason)

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  • puschkiniapuschkinia Posts: 229
    edited October 2022
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  • Ah it was a Chrome problem. This is from September 23rd - plant's already looking sad
    And this is today. Abject misery

    There are leaf buds though


  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I think it's in far too small a pot - they like a deep root run - so is probably hungry - composts have nutrients for 90 days max and the growing season is far longer than that so you have to feed them.

    If you can't plant it in the ground, give it a bigger pot and use good John Innes no 3 type loam based clompost with about 25% added multi purpose compost mixed in for moisture retention.  Give it a thorough drink before and after transferring to the ground or a new pot and plant it 3 to 4 inches deeper than it was as that encourage more shoots.

    Give it a generous dollop of slow release clematis, rose or tomato fertiliser every spring and occasional liquid tomato feed betwen waterings.   Whether in the ground or in a pot it will need extra water during heatwaves and/or dry spells.
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  • @Obelixx - Thanks for your help. Oh I thought the pot was huge (>60L), and potentially too big! Do you think something like a 60 x 60 pot would be ok?

    I hadn't thought about it being hungry - I did give it some slow-release clematis feed in Spring but I'm not sure whether I gave enough, and definitely didn't give it any tomato feed after that. Do you think I can give it a feed now, or is it too late in the year? 
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    I agree with @Obelixx 's advice  :)

    I have had nothing but problems with Guernsey Cream, it never seems happy. Mine is in the ground and gets fed and watered, but it only gets to around 2.5 to 3 feet high, produces a flower or two and that's it. The leaves turn brown and crispy and even though l cut it back, it hardly comes back at all.
    I'm never sure if it's just bad luck or whether it's a problem with the variety.

    When the trellis is replaced (hopefully next year), l'm going to dig it out and replace it with something else. It may be a problem with the soil or drainage in that area perhaps. 

    Good luck with yours  @puschkinia :)
  • Oh that's a shame @AnniD - I fell in love with it after seeing @Iamweedy photo here - https://forum.gardenersworld.com/discussion/1025874/the-clematis-season-2019/p14

    Ofc, mine looks nothing like that :(

    If it doesn't pick up in Spring perhaps I'll replace it with an alpina - it seems they're lower maintenance, though I do love the big bright flowers on the guernsey cream.


  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited October 2022
    It's the end of the season.  As a Guernsey Cream owner, it seems normal to me.  Especially as it's in a pot.

    Don't over-water.  Don't over-fertilise.


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  • bédé said:
    It's the end of the season.  As a Guernsey Cream owner, it seems normal to me.  Especially as it's in a pot.

    Don't over-water.  Don't over-fertilise.


    Ah ok - good to know, thank you! Is there anything I need to do in the immediate term, e.g. put it into a bigger pot/water less/water more/cut back? Or should I just leave it alone?
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    It'll be going dormant now so don't feed it.   If you can't get it in the ground leave it alone till late winter/early spring and then re-pot it as above.

    According to my clematis supplier when I lived in Belgium, it should get to 3m high and is hardy to -25C but, if it's staying in the pot, I would wrap some bubble wrap around the pot to give the roots an extra layer of protection from cold.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
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