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What doesn't kill them makes them stronger? Any evidence?

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  • WAMSWAMS Posts: 1,960
    When I got Prince Charles clematis from Taylor's, I followed their very firm instructions not to water beyond initial watering in and let the thing find its own water source. It has proven pretty unkillable (unfortunately.. I dislike it)

  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited August 2022
    @BenCotto
    In 1987 I was living in England. I remember being surprised at how huge trees had such shallow roots when they were sadly uprooted during the infamous storm. The answer from my father (not a tree expert!) was "of course trees here don't need to go deep in the ground because it rains so often".


    I think it very much depends on the type of tree.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    BenCotto said:
    Water superficially = roots near the surface
    Drench sporadically = roots delve downwards.

    That is constantly repeated but is there evidence it is true? Or is it more that it seems like it ought to be true?

    It's a good question @BenCotto - is it how we think plants ought to behave?
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    It is an interesting question, but i disagree that it would be easy to prove. You would need hundreds of plants, in identical positions, to scientifically show any difference, because of the variability of individual plants. We all observe this every day, the same plants, next to each other, totally different growth habits.
    Whether we like it, or not, we are going to have to garden differently.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • PlantmindedPlantminded Posts: 3,580
    There’s a theory that trees talk to each other about the availability of water and other things, according to this “controversial German forester”:
     
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-whispering-trees-180968084/

    I have the book mentioned in this article and am now intrigued to read it!
    Wirral. Sandy, free draining soil.


  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    edited August 2022
    I don't think you can really judge by clematis. They can play dead for many years and spring to life again if the soil is disturbed. Never hoik out a 'dead' clematis unless you hated it anyway. 
    I have three Lazarus clematis with ideas of world domination. I suppose they spent the years in hiding developing a strong root system.Fortunately, they are ones I  liked

    Edit:
    Come to think of it - it didn't kill them and they came back stronger. Maybe there is something in it🤔
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    I don't think it is controversial, @Plantminded. There is very good scientific evidence that trees communicate with each other.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    Hopefully someone will start another thread next Spring to show what we lost and what survived and what method of watering we did. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • Allotment BoyAllotment Boy Posts: 6,774
    Of course this is purely anecdotal,  but some of my fellow plotholders are from Cyprus.  They  too talk about English trees being lazy, and say in Cyprus trees root much deeper because they have to. They have been having 40 +C summers for decades.  
    AB Still learning

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