@WhereAreMySecateurs Out of patent means anyone can reproduce and sell them at whatever price they choose.
David Austin, like any plant breeder, chooses which of its range of roses are likely to be the best sellers and can charge what they like for roses it has bred and which still have Plant Breeders' Rights meaning no-one else can reproduce and sell them.
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True @Obelixx, but DA has still banned it. I can’t remember the exact whys and wherefores but I think it must have been some sort of new non-competition/price undercutting clause in the nursery’s licence - on recollection they also sell some in-patent DA roses (e.g. Eustacia Vye). We in the EU can buy a DA bare root rose from them from between €7-10 each 😊
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There seems so much evidence of plant diseases spreading from country to country on Nursery specimens, that surely we should not be buying plants from abroad at all.
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My country (New Zealand) is stringent in these matters, but the flipside is that there is very little choice in plants. My old mum loves watching Monty & co. on GW, but when she Googles the pretty plants after the show, they are never available. She also sighs over the variety of roses, astrantia, salvia, daffodils... pretty much everything... that is available to me in England.
The UK is free to introduce whatever controls it wants of course and any country should be encouraged to grow as much as it can itself. I am not at all unsympathetic to those concerned about biosecurity. I am totally against people smuggling into any country unauthorised material in their suitcases or importing from dubious sources. But I suspect biological material from certified nurseries that can provide phytosanitary certificates and plant passports and have gone through all the proper import control procedures is fairly low risk.
Not saying you shouldn’t do what you can, but there are many other risks outside of any country’s contol. How do you stop pests hitching a lift on non-biological freight or blowing in on the wind? Birds also bring in pests and diseases but we are not going to shoot them on sight. I hope.
What about political issues such as Northern Ireland? Would any biological matter be banned from across the EU land border or from across the Irish Sea? Will the UK, having exited the EU with it’s now rather tight biosecurity rules now import more plants, vegetables and fruit from the commonwealth/ex-commonwealth countries with lesser controls?
What happens if you ban all foriegn material but your own endemic or naturalised species cannot adapt fast enough to climate change? What happens to food security, tree planting for carbon capture and rewilding projects then?
Are UK plant breeders also to be barred from selling abroad too? Thus denying them the international markets they probably depend upon to survive and that contribute towards the UK’s economic prosperity and jobs market? It does and should cut both ways.
I have no idea what the answers are to any of the above. It’s a thorny and complex topic that spans environmental, political, social and economic concerns. Also outwith the terms of reference of this post, apologies to the OP!
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Far too many pertinent questions there for the average UK politician @Nollie!
I do know of one friend in Belgium whose favourite bulb nursery was in Lincoln and the despair when they said they shipped a large percentage of their produce to the EU but would no longer be able to do so after Brexit and would probably close.
I see 2 problems there - firstly, surely all those same bulbs are available from the huge range of specialist bulb growers in Belgium and the Netherlands and secondly, people thinking the EU is impenetrable. It isn't. It just has procedures.
As for NI, plants and seeds and certain processed foods sent from mainland UK have to go thru EU checks and that means paperwork and compliance and hold-ups.
For some reason, understandable at the time I suppose, the Good Friday Agreement power sharing between the IRA and DUP but nobody imagined or made allowances for the day when one or other of those two would lose the vote to the extent the DUP has in the last elections so why should the whole of NI's political and economic process be held up when the DUP throw their toys out of the pram?
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David Austin, like any plant breeder, chooses which of its range of roses are likely to be the best sellers and can charge what they like for roses it has bred and which still have Plant Breeders' Rights meaning no-one else can reproduce and sell them.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Not saying you shouldn’t do what you can, but there are many other risks outside of any country’s contol. How do you stop pests hitching a lift on non-biological freight or blowing in on the wind? Birds also bring in pests and diseases but we are not going to shoot them on sight. I hope.
What happens if you ban all foriegn material but your own endemic or naturalised species cannot adapt fast enough to climate change? What happens to food security, tree planting for carbon capture and rewilding projects then?
Are UK plant breeders also to be barred from selling abroad too? Thus denying them the international markets they probably depend upon to survive and that contribute towards the UK’s economic prosperity and jobs market? It does and should cut both ways.
I have no idea what the answers are to any of the above. It’s a thorny and complex topic that spans environmental, political, social and economic concerns. Also outwith the terms of reference of this post, apologies to the OP!
I do know of one friend in Belgium whose favourite bulb nursery was in Lincoln and the despair when they said they shipped a large percentage of their produce to the EU but would no longer be able to do so after Brexit and would probably close.
I see 2 problems there - firstly, surely all those same bulbs are available from the huge range of specialist bulb growers in Belgium and the Netherlands and secondly, people thinking the EU is impenetrable. It isn't. It just has procedures.
As for NI, plants and seeds and certain processed foods sent from mainland UK have to go thru EU checks and that means paperwork and compliance and hold-ups.
For some reason, understandable at the time I suppose, the Good Friday Agreement power sharing between the IRA and DUP but nobody imagined or made allowances for the day when one or other of those two would lose the vote to the extent the DUP has in the last elections so why should the whole of NI's political and economic process be held up when the DUP throw their toys out of the pram?