This is the older tree (either hornbeam, or whitehorn) and the younger (hawthorn) tree (there's actually 2, but one, shown here, with the thinner trunk, is growing 'within' the space of the older tree). I guess birds planting them, makes sense.
thanks for your comments & advice. It does make sense to do it in autumn, so tyvm again for that advice.
We do have a long garden, so it would take it I think, and it'd certainly be 20 metres from the house, which I believe would be sufficient distance.
@ Suze. I think it's OK to do a raindance, although we flood now more than we have ever flooded, at the end of the garden. I'll be raising our paving slabs & raising our lawn too, over time (I'll be sprinkling a soil & grit sand mixture, over a period of months).
Hard to id trees by bark. The leaves in last pic look like Sorbus aria lutescens - whitebeam tree.
If the seed grown hawthorn is growing in the middle of the Whitebeam you need to cut it down asap. Do not even think of trying to move it! You will damage your Whitebeam tree.
Thanks for all those photos. So many helpful people on this site. I have been mulling it over. If I did try to get this hawthorn tree out, to move it elsewhere, I'd have a hell of a job, trying to get its roots from underneath the other tree, so I also thought, maybe I should just take out the other hawthorn, which is about half a metre to the left, and cut down the 'cuddled' hawthorn, if you will. Is this because it will mean the whitebeam/hornbeam/whitehorn (no wonder I'm confused what it is) will be starved of nutrients, by any chance? It's just starting to unfurl its leaves, so I'll check, shortly.
IF you try to move the cuddled hawthorn you will do masses of damage to the Whitebeam roots. Do not even consider doing that. Whitebeam make super shape trees...it will look stupid with a hawthorn bush in the middle. Just get secateurs and cut Hawthorn down as near the ground as possible...tonight or tomorrow.
2nd hawthorn try to pull it all out ..roots and all and dispose of it.
I had been coming to that conclusion myself, as regards the first tree.. Why do you say chuck it (the second one)? It's actually been named a super plant by the RHS, as its good for 'spot flooding' & drought. I'm really interested to know
@paulpuk2000 The hawthorns will rob nutrients, water and light from your white-whatever-it-is so just get rid. Keep an eye out for more bird-sown hawthorns and weed them out immediately before they get big enough to be a bovver but also, if you like, save one to grow on in a better position where it can be happy without affecting other trees.
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Hawthorn are wonderful shrubs for wildlife. You have told us it is 7ft tall, but it will not have many roots yet. But because it is near your special tree to dig it up carefully with all the roots will be difficult./impossible.You must not disturb the roots of your whitebeam. Transplanting young shrubs with bare roots in warm weather very rarely works.
I've decided to cut down the 'cuddled' hawthorn (in fact, it's done already), but I really would like to re-plant the second hawthorn, in a different location. I believe it will be good for wildlife, and I hope it can help with our 'spotflooding' issue, that we get when we've had a lot of rain.
As suggested, I will do this in the autumn, when the tree is dormant. Hopefully, my whitebeam tree will not be unduly affected.
We have some council planted trees round our way that have hawthorn rootstock but aren't hawthorns. The hawthorn has since grown from below the ground and you get a sort of half and half tree. I'm wondering if this is the same situation you have depending on what your main tree actually is.
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pics 1 snd 2 show baby plants..a gift from the birds.
thanks for your comments & advice. It does make sense to do it in autumn, so tyvm again for that advice.
We do have a long garden, so it would take it I think, and it'd certainly be 20 metres from the house, which I believe would be sufficient distance.
@ Suze. I think it's OK to do a raindance, although we flood now more than we have ever flooded, at the end of the garden. I'll be raising our paving slabs & raising our lawn too, over time (I'll be sprinkling a soil & grit sand mixture, over a period of months).
The leaves in last pic look like Sorbus aria lutescens - whitebeam tree.
If the seed grown hawthorn is growing in the middle of the Whitebeam you need to cut it down asap. Do not even think of trying to move it! You will damage your Whitebeam tree.
Whitebeam make super shape trees...it will look stupid with a hawthorn bush in the middle.
Just get secateurs and cut Hawthorn down as near the ground as possible...tonight or tomorrow.
2nd hawthorn try to pull it all out ..roots and all and dispose of it.
You have told us it is 7ft tall, but it will not have many roots yet.
But because it is near your special tree to dig it up carefully with all the roots will be difficult./impossible.You must not disturb the roots of your whitebeam.
Transplanting young shrubs with bare roots in warm weather very rarely works.
I've decided to cut down the 'cuddled' hawthorn (in fact, it's done already), but I really would like to re-plant the second hawthorn, in a different location. I believe it will be good for wildlife, and I hope it can help with our 'spotflooding' issue, that we get when we've had a lot of rain.
As suggested, I will do this in the autumn, when the tree is dormant. Hopefully, my whitebeam tree will not be unduly affected.