I wonder how much is down to luck of the draw as to what you receive (wimpy caned or otherwise) and how much is due to location, that makes the same rose behave so differently. My Rose de Molinard is very strongly upright, one of my least droopy roses @Eustace. It doesnāt spoil quite as badly as yours either, but here the air driesĀ rapidly after rain, which might help.
@Woodgreen, I suspect any rose hard up against a wall will tend to grow/lean out, even if shade tolerant and the orientation is optimal, mine certainly do.
As to pruning,Ā In ābe better or begoneā frustration at itās floppy habit, I did prune my Golden Celebration hard last year, to about 6ā. It seems to be bushier and stronger as a result, more self-supporting and a bit less Octupussy.Ā Peter Beales had something interesting to say about initial pruning of new roses in his āClassic Rosesā. Does anyone do this? I was surprised he applied it to old roses too, but those Iāve got from French nurseries arrive severely pruned, to keep shipping costs down I thought..
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Weāve had some rain, not enough to make a difference in the ground but water butts are a quarter full. A little help for roses with chlorotic tendencies at least.
Mme. Antoine Mari, now full of new red growth and buds so Iām hoping the second flush is better than the ruined first:
Munstead Wood (own root) proving a consistent little bloomer:
Harlow Carr starting again, with the smaller, flatter blooms I get in summer:
Not convinced about Folle Courtisane yet. Typically Delbard strong, healthy, upright growth, good fragrance and I can excuse the bit of crisping in heat, which it may grow out of. BUT it has alarming coral tendencies, which I really dislike!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Imprevu so thats the British, the French and the BelgianĀ rose experts saying the same thing! The advice for climbers is compatible I think. First, prune hard on planting to get them off on a strong footing and encourage basal growth. Afterwards,Ā leave themĀ alone to develop their climbing canes, only deadheading and shortening the laterals.
Thank goodness roses are tough and very forgiving regardless of what we do or donāt do to them. I was far too worried and hesitant about pruning when I first started growing them but one gets far more relaxed as time passes.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Woodgreen, I suspect any rose hard up against a wall will tend to grow/lean out, even if shade tolerant and the orientation is optimal, mine certainly do.
As to pruning,Ā In ābe better or begoneā frustration at itās floppy habit, I did prune my Golden Celebration hard last year, to about 6ā. It seems to be bushier and stronger as a result, more self-supporting and a bit less Octupussy.Ā Peter Beales had something interesting to say about initial pruning of new roses in his āClassic Rosesā. Does anyone do this? I was surprised he applied it to old roses too, but those Iāve got from French nurseries arrive severely pruned, to keep shipping costs down I thought..
Thanks for your comments @Nollie, and the insert from Peter Beales' book. I think I might have a talk with 'Eustacia' next spring, see if we can make a fresh start, prune a bit lower and I'll give support early on if needed. I'm really pleased with the flowers, and the plant is healthy. I'd prefer to keep it where it is, but if next year it proves too much I'll find room in the ground for it.
I'd just like to point out in case anyone new to roses gets the wrong impression, but what Mr Beales wrote there applies to bare root roses at planting time in the winter... although with once flowering roses it's not something I do - life's too short -Ā and it was written before potted roses became popular and of course before the online mail order of potted roses in full bloom... Nobody is going to be cutting down their Ā£30 David Austin rose just arrived, full of flowers just as they plant it...Ā
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@Woodgreen, I suspect any rose hard up against a wall will tend to grow/lean out, even if shade tolerant and the orientation is optimal, mine certainly do.
As to pruning,Ā In ābe better or begoneā frustration at itās floppy habit, I did prune my Golden Celebration hard last year, to about 6ā. It seems to be bushier and stronger as a result, more self-supporting and a bit less Octupussy.Ā Peter Beales had something interesting to say about initial pruning of new roses in his āClassic Rosesā. Does anyone do this? I was surprised he applied it to old roses too, but those Iāve got from French nurseries arrive severely pruned, to keep shipping costs down I thought..
it is also advice from lens . I was doubting last year because everyone is stating do not prune a climber in the first yearĀ
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Mme. Antoine Mari, now full of new red growth and buds so Iām hoping the second flush is better than the ruined first:
Munstead Wood (own root) proving a consistent little bloomer:
Harlow Carr starting again, with the smaller, flatter blooms I get in summer:
Not convinced about Folle Courtisane yet. Typically Delbard strong, healthy, upright growth, good fragrance and I can excuse the bit of crisping in heat, which it may grow out of. BUT it has alarming coral tendencies, which I really dislike!
Folle Courtisane (What goes on in the minds of these growers?)- gorgeous colours!
Pitter-patter, can't scroll back to see the name of your bluey-purpley plant again, but it looks spectacular.
..your 'Medeo' is superb, full of grace and charm..Ā
Thank goodness roses are tough and very forgiving regardless of what we do or donāt do to them. I was far too worried and hesitant about pruning when I first started growing them but one gets far more relaxed as time passes.
I'd prefer to keep it where it is, but if next year it proves too much I'll find room in the ground for it.
'The Anniversary Rose'... good in a pot..