Forum home The potting shed
This Forum will close on Wednesday 27 March, 2024. Please refer to the announcement on the Discussions page for further detail.

🦃 CURMUDGEONS' CORNER XIX 🦃

1656668707196

Posts

  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    I think the situation in Bristol and the circumstances leading up to that particular incident are actually quite specific and particularly egregious. It doesn't translate to other protests or other criminal damage incidents. I'm not surprised a Bristol jury acquitted them. The authorities were unwise trying to pursue it through this route - it was always a risk and they lost the gamble. 

    It's really not about 'obliterating history', it's about telling the truth and not idolising or celebrating people who deserve more censure than praise. You can't pretend it didn't happen and the BLM protestors don't want to do that. 
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    It's really not about 'obliterating history', it's about telling the truth and not idolising or celebrating people who deserve more censure than praise. 
    Let's see how far the protests against Tony Blair's Knighthood get. :|
    https://chng.it/MNXGBc2xXY

    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    This article makes very interesting reading ... you need to keep reading ... it's a long article 

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/how-city-failed-remove-edward-4211771

    What would be the view if there was a statue of Jimmy Savile standing somewhere ... 'after all, he raised a lot of money for charity' ... 




    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    What Jimmy Savile did was never permitted under the law, to the best of my knowledge. 

  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    Nelson Mandela went to jail and Margaret Thatcher described him as a terrorist . Should we remove his statue from Parliament Square?
    Devon.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited January 2022
    And you think the laws that permitted the branding of human beings with red hot irons were ever worth upholding?

    Not all laws are moral … only the most despicable have ever overridden their own moral compass simply because the law allowed it. 



    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    They’ve already defaced Churchill’s statues.  As almost every type of trading was built on slave trade one way or another, I can’t see this ending very quickly now.
    I hope when they put the statues in museums and write the history they will include all the things they donated money too,  schools hospitals etc. 

    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    Grant Shapps says that the Government agrees with the rule of law and will change the law when necessary to make sure that it best serves what politicians want. If we don't like it we should protest via the ballot box apparently. An oddly honest statement from a politician.
    If only they were more willing to change the laws they made as quickly to stop politicians benefitting from lobbying and 'legal' bribery. People seem more worried about a few statues being illegally removed than democracy being legally eroded though.
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    There were many attempts over the years  to have the statue moved to a museum, or to have the wording of the plaque changed, in order to place it in a historical context, but a few powerful men kept blocking it … details on the link I posted. 


    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





This discussion has been closed.