I'm not a scientist ... however my work before retirement involved working with child psychologists in the field of cognitive impairment. Gaming was certainly found to be beneficial for the young people we worked with, developing sequencing and other cognitive abilities ... however that's purely anecdotal ... I don't have access to statistics. I have also heard similar reports on Radio 4 science programmes.
There is some very interesting stuff online if you wish to research it.
To those who are saying things like "my grandson been into videogames since a young age, and he eventually turned out very smart and has now a great career into IT..."
You are not implying any causality, aren't you...? Well, at least no one mentioned yet.
See my first post where I said ...
"... Even though not all games are 'educational' I understand that there's increasing evidence that gaming increases the brain's plasticity which equals an agile and intelligent mind..."
This may be true, but some "have got to get out of their bedrooms and find a job to gain any advantage from it."
No, it's not only to do with parenting. It's also to do with being anonymous. You're aware of that here - was that person who behaves badly here brought up badly? Why do you think kids are different? Boris lies openly - bad parents? Are all bad people then the product of bad parenting? Again not meant to be patronising.
Man has never learnt from the past. War, murder, abuse, victimisation ... aren't new. They just assume a slightly different guise - slavery still exists. Tell me exactly what man has learnt after 2 million years.
To risk assess, you need all the information - and if facebook (and they are just one organization) can hide information - how on earth do you think you can gain access to it? The data today is power. Power over millions/billions - the data is used to assess social reaction to the product -0 how to tweak the product to achieve the required ends. So how can you assess? How was the game written - was it written to be addictive? Was it written to encourage certain behaviours - ie to encourage kids to buy to play? Does it have inbuilt bias? Surely you're starting to realise that much like biased bosses in printed media controlled social behaviour, that mantle has passed to online content - and all forms of that content from media to gaming to browsers to...But as I keep saying Dove - this is now all around us - you can't escape tech - you use a browsers to find stuff - what biases has that built in? You use social media - what biases there? You use gaming - what biases? How do you know - unless you can read code and follow that code and algorithms (even if it was opensource), you have not got a scooby.
It’s easy to get your child off the games device, my daughter gives her sons a 15 minute warning, to either finish the level or save, if they’re not down by then she pulls the plug out of the router. They soon learn to stop playing. I absolutely agree with everything @Omori said. She’s more likely to get bullied by her so called friends for not having a games device than she is online. Mine have never had any sort of bullying and they can link up with anybody
telephone lines...... I thought it had been that way for years, I don’t know anyone with a corded phone now. We always unplug the phone line if there’s a storm. I had a telephone connected to the router about 12 years ago, the calls were free, included in the line price, it had a different number to the landline. I disconnected it couldn’t be bothered. I’m longing for the day when they put the cables underground. Every time we get strong winds the lines are off. No Mobile signal here either.
Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor.
@Dovefromabove and my point is that no matter how you bring your child up you can't control them 24x7 and some people are good and some bad - whether they come from good parenting or not. It's odd how society views it though - a poor man can steal something and be classed a thief and vilified, but a rich banker can bankrupt the world and not give stuff. Boris lied to the Queen - and he's seen as a cheeky chappie and he seems personally to let it run off him like the proverbial water. Punkdoc gets accused of lying, and he's distraught that he's misled someone. Isn't in the genetic make up as well - not just nurture?
But even that is NOT the issue. As an analogy (I'm bad at these so be patient), I can teach my kids about the roads and traffic. I can tell them to use crossings, look both ways, wear hi-vis, don't run across, don't play games nearby.... BUT the question isn't that - the question is should combustion engines be used in the first place. You seem to repeat about parenting (..how to cross the road and be sensible around traffic), but that isn't the issue that I'm talking about. I doubt it's veracity in the first place (do we need combustion cars). I think computers as tools is generally good. Computers to replace life - potentially bad. Question the acceptance.
Right, I'm off to wash up and then do the ironing. I lead an amazingly exciting life.
... As an analogy (I'm bad at these so be patient), I can teach my kids about the roads and traffic. I can tell them to use crossings, look both ways, wear hi-vis, don't run across, don't play games nearby.... BUT the question isn't that - the question is should combustion engines be used in the first place. You seem to repeat about parenting (..how to cross the road and be sensible around traffic), but that isn't the issue that I'm talking about. I doubt it's veracity in the first place (do we need combustion cars). I think computers as tools is generally good. Computers to replace life - potentially bad. Question the acceptance.
Right, I'm off to wash up and then do the ironing. I lead an amazingly exciting life.
That's the nature of parenting ... it affects every part of life. As with crossing the road, our job is to be with them until they understand the need to be careful themselves. Even then, there's the case of my friend who at 16 crossed the road without looking to her right because she'd just had her hair done and it was windy and she didn't want the wind to spoil it ... she was hit by a car and broke many bones ... thankfully more or less ok now. You can't say that a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed to cross the road on her own ... you teach about the risks and they have to make the judgements. Being a parent hurts a lot sometimes.
As for 'do we need combustion cars' .......... hindsight is a wonderful thing, and the older we get the more of that we seem to acquire ... but without the combustion engine we may never have had many other things ... both good and bad.
I return to 'you can't put the genie back in the bottle'. We have to find the best way to live with him.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Why is tech a hindsight? What I'm saying is the opposite - I used the analogy to show the problem that could have potentially been averted. We're still at the start of tech - we can still change. But if we just 'accept' that's how it is, then in 100 years the analogy will combustion engine analogy may completely parallel the tech. The big issue isn't in crossing the road. That kills thousands/millions. The issue is in combustion that will kill millions/billions. The issue is not in being aware online, but do you need to be online. The acceptance of tech.
...sorry - I came back into the room after washing up to get the ironing and saw you posted. I'm orf again. I've said enough again anyway!
Re hindsight and tech ... it's here ... we can't stop the way tech develops ... look at the nuclear industry ... the world tries and fails to stop it going in one particular direction. As I've said before even the folk who invented the wwweb had no idea of what the world would do with it. See my last para in my last post which encapsulates everything I've said.
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There is some very interesting stuff online if you wish to research it.
For example ....
https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2013120
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B978044463934900010X
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This may be true, but some "have got to get out of their bedrooms and find a job to gain any advantage from it."
They soon learn to stop playing.
I absolutely agree with everything @Omori said. She’s more likely to get bullied by her so called friends for not having a games device than she is online.
Mine have never had any sort of bullying and they can link up with anybody
telephone lines...... I thought it had been that way for years, I don’t know anyone with a corded phone now. We always unplug the phone line if there’s a storm.
I had a telephone connected to the router about 12 years ago, the calls were free, included in the line price, it had a different number to the landline. I disconnected it couldn’t be bothered.
I’m longing for the day when they put the cables underground. Every time we get strong winds the lines are off.
No Mobile signal here either.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Thanks everybody for this very lively discussion.
And Dovefromabove, thanks for the links, I'm amazed!
As for 'do we need combustion cars' .......... hindsight is a wonderful thing, and the older we get the more of that we seem to acquire ... but without the combustion engine we may never have had many other things ... both good and bad.
I return to 'you can't put the genie back in the bottle'. We have to find the best way to live with him.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Re hindsight and tech ... it's here ... we can't stop the way tech develops ... look at the nuclear industry ... the world tries and fails to stop it going in one particular direction. As I've said before even the folk who invented the wwweb had no idea of what the world would do with it.
See my last para in my last post which encapsulates everything I've said.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.