Hi all - I have a query about standard roses and lower graft level. Most advice online says to plant the graft at soil level to avoid suckering, from the trunk, presumably. DA says plant ‘the stem’ 2” below soil level, so basically treat it like a normal bare root. I guess it depends on the type of stock used for the trunks but are they liable to suckering generally?
It looks as if you’ve planted the graft of your impressive Canary Bird standard below soil level @Tack?
I’m supposed to receive my GdeF standard today, but we’ll see - Friday is a dodgy day for deliveries here, the couriers usually give up for the weekend before they get to our isolated patch. I’m currently putting the support together, must paint put those screws! Oh and that terrace needs a really good scrub too 😆
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Fingers crossed it arrives. You had me worried there @Nollie so went and had a look. Top of the graft is exactly at soil level so will be a bit below when I mulch. I'm happy with that from an aesthetic pov but I admit I didn't research it. Interesting umbrella support, I can't find anything not bespoke-welded and less than hundreds of pounds so am going to put a circular grow-through support on top of the stake. How far above the current head will you hover it and then position growth as desired or do you push it among the branches now? I can't find any guidance and pictures give conflicting evidence.
My new Lady Em, planted bare root in Nov is now putting out shoots. One of these new shoot in particular looks to be growing directly into an existing cane. Do I need to deal with this now, presumably by either removing the shoot or pruning the cane back to just above the outward facing bud above the plant label, or should I wait to see how it develops?
@owd potter - I'd leave it, but as it grows make sure it's going to the outside of that cane it's headbutting.
My thnking is that you never know which canes are going to survive this season, which ones might get dieback or awkward growth, or go weak and spindly.
You may end up wanting to keep one or both of those canes, chopping out the left side one, or the right, or neither. You might end up wanting to keep that growth as it's well positioned to replace something else.
So just leave it and see how things go. It can always be snipped off later!
@owd potter I would let it grow for this season and deal with it later.. But is there a new basal coming up as well..?
@Jemula you were the person I was looking for.. Both Indigo and Rose de Rescht was in my list for a while..I will have to choose only one for now.. made up my mind on RDR (Possibly for next year). I have read about the short lived flowers of Indigo, but then it is a prolific bloomer.. Isn't RDR equally well scented as its a Portland-damask? And don't they appear similar in colour?
I loved all the summer garden pics.. makes me go back and look at my own garden pics..
Does anyone feel that itch to order roses badly and once you have clicked that pay button, then you realise that you will now have to deal with things like space, OH and of course the promise you made yourself that you would not buy again??
@Tack, sorry, didn’t mean to worry you, couldn’t see the knobbly bit! I will probably do the same and plant at soil level then put a bit of dry mulch around the graft. I’m very impressed with the sturdiness of the stand, it’s very heavy. It’s French, but was €93 inc postage from amazonspain. The instructions say plant the top graft 5-10cm below the umbrella and then poke through the canes. This is the amusing google translation of Meilland’s guide to planting standards, I probably won’t be tasting the soil, but you get the drift 😆
“Here are the stages of planting a rush rod or weeping with naked roots:
Prepare the ground with a careful digging (see our advice: how to prepare the ground)
Prepare your rosier: Cross the end of the roots and branches, delete those in overnight, damaged or misunderstanded. 2/3 branches by grafts are enough!
Then immerse the roots of your rosebus in the pralin. The pralin is a slightly liquid, fertilized mud, which promotes cohesion between the roots of the rose and the earth. Palinage therefore consists of embraketing the pralin roots. [think this is an M.Funghi paste]
Open the planting hole, large enough to accommodate the volume of the roots. If the terrain has not been prepared in advance, dig 50 cm in diameter and depth to moorize and improve it as needed (see field preparation).
Press a solid guardian into the planting hole. A solid wooden or metal guardian can suit a rod rod or half-stem. If it is a weeping rose, choose a special model, named umbrella tutor.
Place the rosier with its collar at the ground level. The collar corresponds to the junction point between the roots and the start of the trunk. It is generally referenced by a bulge.
Gently embankment the planting hole by dragging the crumbled earth between the roots. Taste slightly and form a bowl for watering.
Water copiously until saturation.
Protect your rod rod (or weeping) if heavy frozen are announced. Wrap it in a wintering veil, which will have to open in the period of Redoux. Remember to water, even during the winter.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Totally. I can't understand how I've gone from not liking roses to this green eyed monster that covets and splurges on roses regardless of space and resources (mainly water, those butts will run dry!). I would never have imagined buying Standard Frankinstein Roses but am getting ever more extreme in scratching that very itch @cooldoc
Edit; Just seen your intervening post @Nollie, so funny, as clear as pralin
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...thanks Jemula, good to have your input on this.. I have just the place for it..
It looks as if you’ve planted the graft of your impressive Canary Bird standard below soil level @Tack?
I’m supposed to receive my GdeF standard today, but we’ll see - Friday is a dodgy day for deliveries here, the couriers usually give up for the weekend before they get to our isolated patch. I’m currently putting the support together, must paint put those screws! Oh and that terrace needs a really good scrub too 😆
One of these new shoot in particular looks to be growing directly into an existing cane.
Do I need to deal with this now, presumably by either removing the shoot or pruning the cane back to just above the outward facing bud above the plant label, or should I wait to see how it develops?
My thnking is that you never know which canes are going to survive this season, which ones might get dieback or awkward growth, or go weak and spindly.
You may end up wanting to keep one or both of those canes, chopping out the left side one, or the right, or neither. You might end up wanting to keep that growth as it's well positioned to replace something else.
So just leave it and see how things go. It can always be snipped off later!