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  • PianoplayerPianoplayer Posts: 624
    I'm sorry you've had a difficult time, and that the work you have had done has not met expectations. I wonder if you could attach close-up photos of the climbers, so that the experts on here could give a definitive identification for you?

    A couple of other thoughts from a learner gardener:
    • Climbers that don't need any support and `self cling` often cause damage to the walls they are clinging to.
    • For ones that don't self-cling, getting a good support structure such as tensioned wires across the wall is essential. However, as you've discovered, if left to themselves, they get tangled up. You will have to train the plants by positioning the shoots and then tying them on to the supports. This is quite a lot of work.
    • As for flowering, it takes a while for plants to establish. I am not the most patient person, but I've learnt I just have to wait! I have a two-year old Trachelospermum climber, which has a few flowers on it, and I am trying to just be patient for it to get more!

    I am just wondering if you could find something different to go alongside your lily. I'm trying to understand the conditions. I think you said hot but shaded, is that right?
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    I think the clematis will probably be fine if you know someone who has an electric drill and can  put up a large section of trellis (maybe 6 foot square) or some vine eyes with sturdy horizontal wires stretched between and some vertical wires run between those. More info here https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=463
    Clematis grows by twining the leaf stalks around something, and all yours has available at the moment is itself, so it will be growing in a tangle and its weight will be making it sink down to the ground. It'll grow up next year if it has something to twine around. 

    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • evgevg Posts: 13
    Don't have enough time right now to reply to everything but the tags on the plants say plant on the right is 'white lightning' left one is Bees Jubilee. That's my neighbour's wall, so no drilling will be possible
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    edited July 2021
    It's a passion flower then, and the same one in the other thread I mentioned.  :)
    In that case, you'll have to ask their permission, because that clematis isn't going to grow there without support. Or - you'll have to get someone to put in some posts just inside the wall, and attach a trellis. That would be the best idea.


    Here's some info

    https://www.taylorsclematis.co.uk/clematis-bees-jubilee.html
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    edited July 2021
    If the neighbour won't allow anything to be attached to the wall, then the choices are a trellis on free-standing posts (which would need to be concreted in to the ground, so more work than drilling the wall) or maybe think about freestanding shrubs that will grow without any support. Or something like annual climbers from seed that you could grow up an obelisk. Smaller clematis can also be grown up obelisks but Bees Jubilee is a fairly big one (and so is the passion flower https://www.shootgardening.co.uk/plant/passiflora-caerulea-white-lightning ).
    Edit: self-clinging climbers would also be a no-no if the neighbour won't allow anything to be attached to the wall.
    I wouldn't recommend fastening wires on to the drainpipe either - there's a risk that the weight could pull it off the wall.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • BijdezeeBijdezee Posts: 1,484
    edited July 2021
    @Busy-Lizzie - probably best avoid the campsis then. Mine is growing against a sturdy wooden trellis.

    @evg. - sorry to hear about the accident and hope youve recovered now. Is it possible to have a clear close up of the plant on the right? Would confirm if it's a passiflora, which can be a bit tender and die back in the winter. Definitely need a trellis there. Getting the stems up into the sun will help it flower. 

    That Gardener has no idea - clematis do not attach to things on their own, even on a knobbly surface. They twine a bit but need a lot of help and are better tied in especially as the stems can flop and break. 



  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I think the free standing screen is definitely the way to go @JennyJ. It isn't difficult to do, although the OP would probably need someone to do it. The biggest problem just now is that the easy to use Postcrete is in very short supply everywhere, so concrete needs to be mixed. Another alternative is the metal  spikes that get put in the ground, and the posts are slotted in and bolted on. 

    It does make me angry that people like @evg get taken advantage of like this, and are then left stranded.   :/
    If I lived near you - I'd come and do a screen for you myself. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • evgevg Posts: 13
    edited July 2021
    Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think the best thing will probably be to remove the plants or just cut them back and see what things are like next year, I won't be staying here long term from this date and I have no money to spare on resources and labour due in part to the car crash issues.
    I have contacted the 'gardener' both on their business page and personal pages so I will give them a couple extra days before I take it further, they are local to me and its a small area.
    Heres a photo for context of the area, the wooden posts are flood defence barriers. Thanks for the offer Fairygirl, maybe I should have looked more thoroughly or just done it myself but with Covid most places weren't operating.
  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    If you aren't planning to stay very long in the property but want to make the entranceway more attractive, a few pots of annuals or bulbs would be far better than the permanent planting which your "gardener" suggested.
    Your lilly looks happy enough but from the photo above I'd certainly forget about the climbers :)
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I'd agree with @philippasmith2. Pots would be a better idea, or even a couple of small shrubs planted into the gravel, which wouldn't need much attention. I wondered what the posts were, but I thought it might be an old gate or similar. 
    Really annoying for you though, that this person has created a problem for you with the climbers. I don't suppose it was cheap either  :/
    I wish you well with getting something resolved. As those plants haven't been in long, they could remove them and no doubt find another customer for them. If so, they could refund you - you didn't get two clematis for a start, and they weren't suitable at all, especially if they told you they would attach to the wall themselves. Totally wrong. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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