Odd you should say that - I have just received an Email from an EV charge installer trying to sell me charge points at £999+vat where the company install and then also get a percentage of the electricity sales.
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From as little as £999 + VAT we can install a dual connected floor stand A/C charge point for your car park, start earning money from your members and visitors from the electricity they consume whilst playing golf. EV Smart will reimburse you the cost of the electricity used and we'll share a percentage of the profit.
In these difficult times we understand that meeting is difficult, we can arrange teams/zoom meetings to demonstrate the product and how our innovative software enables you to make money from your car park and also add benefits to your members and visitors.
Benefits for businesses/organisations
Mobile phone and/or RFID operated
Free-to-use, PAYG & BiK options
Charging tariff setting feature
Real time chargepoint network
Historical data
Over the air software updates (OCPP option)
Private, public and fleet charging solutions
Optional electrical load management
Advertising opportunities
Earn revenue
Benefits for EV drivers
No driver subscription
Easy to operate via smartphone and/or RFID card/fob
Secure payment platform
Chargepoint locator map, displaying status & availability
Access to driver charging history
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...I'm not advertising again, honest! How much will the meter owners charge for the convenience of the electricity supply?
I should point out that all the more rural places I've lived had off road parking. All the town based had on road parking/ no parking at all by the time you get back from work!!!!
The figure normally quoted for households with drives is 60 to 66%. However non-drive properties are also more likely to be non car-owning households so the % of cars without a drive is around 70%.
In apartment complexes I am sure a few charging points can be fitted in most and it cannot be too difficult to arrange a rota system so people can charge their vehicles without hassle. I also foresee the rise of ‘charge on my drive’ options in the same mode as ‘park on my drive’ to the mutual benefit of the driver and the home owner.
I have no specialist knowledge in these matters and, to be frank, little interest in cars but, prior to having conduit cabling installed, I read a bit about the way the market might be changing. What I foresee is sales of electric vehicles exceeding sales of ICE vehicles within a couple of years. When that happens, and as the sale deadline for ICE vehicles draws closer, petrol and diesel cars will swamp the second hand market and prices will be low. The move to electric cars will hasten.
I think we will adapt fairly readily to cable charging. If so, the impetus for induction charging will lessen and I expect induction charging might be restricted to public transport and taxis in the bigger urban areas.
I think you are viewing the problem through rose tinted glasses. Large areas of the town where I live have terraces of houses of all ages from Victorian onwards and most complain about lack of parking. These houses do not have drives, and there would probably be one lamp post to about 7 or 8 houses. Sharing that on a rota basis simply wouldn't work. You will get people hogging the space by the lamp post whether they need to use it or not. I have a vision of cables trailing out of house windows to cars causing trip hazards and worse, and firmly believe that to be more realistic than the idea of it being an easy transition.
I think all major social changes tend to hit certain classes more. I'd all but guarantee that the gov will do another scrappage deal on fossil fuel cars - but that will be in exchange for a new car. So the people who have never bought (and could never have bought) a new car in their life, will be forced into keeping their old cars - but the shift in finding re-fuelling points will be exponential - so as EV people are now finding it hard find fuelling points, fossil fuel car drivers will have the same issue as the switch progresses. And how many garages will invest in mechanics to fix fossil fuel vehicles? Hopefully by then 2nd hand EV prices will be low enough to move on. I had hoped that driverless cars would be prevalent by then, and I wouldn't need to own a car that sat on my drive doing nothing 99% of the time.
So difficult to compare isn't it? My local petrol station has 4 pumps, so 8 filling points. It's a small station, so that would make that headline 8,400 stations with 60,000+ filling points. And that does nothing to factor in frequency of fill up and length of time to fill across the types.... BUT that doesn't tell the story either, as I don't have a diesel pump at home - and many EV drivers (I would guess) have had a charge point installed at home where they can (I think you'd have to be a bit naive to get an EV without having a personal charge point at the moment). I wonder how many people currently with EVs actually ever use public charge points - and if so why?
So difficult to compare isn't it? My local petrol station has 4 pumps, so 8 filling points. It's a small station, so that would make that headline 8,400 stations with 60,000+ filling points. And that does nothing to factor in frequency of fill up and length of time to fill across the types.... BUT that doesn't tell the story either, as I don't have a diesel pump at home - and many EV drivers (I would guess) have had a charge point installed at home where they can (I think you'd have to be a bit naive to get an EV without having a personal charge point at the moment). I wonder how many people currently with EVs actually ever use public charge points - and if so why?
I think charging points indicates as with petrol stations its a charging station with multiple chargers . Not a single charging point.
Drive into a petrol station 4 pumps 8 filling points. Drive into an EV charging station 4 charging station so 8 charging points
Most peoples daily journeys are very short I would hazard 20 miles a day or a bit more. A basic EV with a 200 mile range would only require charging once a fortnight.
People look at the charge times in horror, but don't understand that driving an EV means you only need to charge to the point you need to cover the distance being driven. You can sit at a charging station for 40 minutes to get an 80% charge on a fast charger if you wish or sit there for 5 minutes to get enough charge to get you were your going. Its just something we are all going to adapt overtime. Not sure I'll ever own an EV, I would like to , but I only drive about 2000 miles a year now I'm retired so as with a new ICE car a EV would be pointless when I have a car with low milage which could take me to my grave. Only legislation would force the issue. Time will tell.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
... I think your link quoted the EV points didn't it?....It was in the article and actually in your link text.
'...Data from Zap-Map shows that as of 22 May, there are 8,471 charging
locations across the UK, hosting a total of 13,613 charging devices. In
contrast, as of the end of April, there are currently only 8,400 petrol
stations in the UK, a figure which is continuing to decline....'
My only issue with EV range is that there are odd occasions (or were before Covid) where I would travel a couple of times a year and do circa 400 miles in a day - and I wouldn't want then a vehicle that had only a 300-400 (ideal) range just for my own peace of mind. But as the battery power levels increase, 500 mile cars will suit as we all know manufacturer ranges aren't entirely accurate. I'm the same with my car lasting me out - my issue is my car is pre Euro-6 (or whatever Ulez needs), and my local town keeps mumbling about a Ulez zone , as does Brighton along the coast. So it may be a rock and a hard place - and with the current chip shortage, used car prices have gone through the roof - especially it seems Ulez compliant ones. Bit of a bugger really - not enough time for 2nd hand EVs to be plentiful or cheap enough and a bit silly to have to buy another fossil fuel one.
The figure normally quoted for households with drives is 60 to 66%. However non-drive properties are also more likely to be non car-owning households so the % of cars without a drive is around 70%.
so "72% have off road parking", but " cars with out a drive is around 70% " clearly both figures can't be right?
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From as little as £999 + VAT we can install a dual connected floor stand A/C charge point for your car park, start earning money from your members and visitors from the electricity they consume whilst playing golf. EV Smart will reimburse you the cost of the electricity used and we'll share a percentage of the profit.
In these difficult times we understand that meeting is difficult, we can arrange teams/zoom meetings to demonstrate the product and how our innovative software enables you to make money from your car park and also add benefits to your members and visitors.
Benefits for businesses/organisations
Mobile phone and/or RFID operated
Free-to-use, PAYG & BiK options
Charging tariff setting feature
Real time chargepoint network
Historical data
Over the air software updates (OCPP option)
Private, public and fleet charging solutions
Optional electrical load management
Advertising opportunities
Earn revenue
Benefits for EV drivers
No driver subscription
Easy to operate via smartphone and/or RFID card/fob
Secure payment platform
Chargepoint locator map, displaying status & availability
Access to driver charging history
I think you are viewing the problem through rose tinted glasses. Large areas of the town where I live have terraces of houses of all ages from Victorian onwards and most complain about lack of parking. These houses do not have drives, and there would probably be one lamp post to about 7 or 8 houses. Sharing that on a rota basis simply wouldn't work. You will get people hogging the space by the lamp post whether they need to use it or not. I have a vision of cables trailing out of house windows to cars causing trip hazards and worse, and firmly believe that to be more realistic than the idea of it being an easy transition.
"Data from Zap-Map shows that as of 22 May, there are 8,471 charging locations across the UK, hosting a total of 13,613 charging devices. In contrast, as of the end of April, there are currently only 8,400 petrol stations in the UK, a figure which is continuing to decline."
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
https://www.fleetalliance.co.uk/drivers-ev/choosing-an-ev-when-you-live-in-a-flat/
I think charging points indicates as with petrol stations its a charging station with multiple chargers . Not a single charging point.
Drive into a petrol station 4 pumps 8 filling points. Drive into an EV charging station 4 charging station so 8 charging points
Most peoples daily journeys are very short I would hazard 20 miles a day or a bit more. A basic EV with a 200 mile range would only require charging once a fortnight.
People look at the charge times in horror, but don't understand that driving an EV means you only need to charge to the point you need to cover the distance being driven. You can sit at a charging station for 40 minutes to get an 80% charge on a fast charger if you wish or sit there for 5 minutes to get enough charge to get you were your going. Its just something we are all going to adapt overtime. Not sure I'll ever own an EV, I would like to , but I only drive about 2000 miles a year now I'm retired so as with a new ICE car a EV would be pointless when I have a car with low milage which could take me to my grave. Only legislation would force the issue. Time will tell.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
I'm the same with my car lasting me out - my issue is my car is pre Euro-6 (or whatever Ulez needs), and my local town keeps mumbling about a Ulez zone , as does Brighton along the coast. So it may be a rock and a hard place - and with the current chip shortage, used car prices have gone through the roof - especially it seems Ulez compliant ones. Bit of a bugger really - not enough time for 2nd hand EVs to be plentiful or cheap enough and a bit silly to have to buy another fossil fuel one.
clearly both figures can't be right?