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  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    edited May 2021
    steveTu said:
    Hostafan1 said:
    steveTu said:
    Hasn't the argument been that the alleged perpetrators are named to encourage other victims to come forward? Seems a bit wrong as it (the argument) assumes that the person is guilty.

    and that the accuser is honest?

    Once someone is found guilty, sure, name them and other victims can come forward. 
    I think half the male cast of Coronation St have been suspended at some time yet none of them have been convicted 

    I'm not arguing the case, just saying why. There is an issue though here eh? If you stop reporting before a guilty verdict, then what about all those reports in the press that lead to investigation and conviction? Isn't investigative journalism in one way good?
    How you draw a line between the good and bad that journalism does, I don't know. You could say Cummings recent rants are character assassination as no committee yet has published their findings on the Gov's (and Boris') performance - but should they not be reported? If  they should be reported where again is the line? I heard on Radio 4 an article about Bashir and his involvement with reporting on a child murder case in Brighton - he hasn't been found 'guilty' of anything in that specific regard, but should it be reported? If you have a free press it seems that you have to put up with the good and the bad.
    When I lived " up country" there was an ongoing case of alleged rape in Farnham in Surrey. 
    The accused man's name was in the papers for weeks. Finally acquitted of all charges and the accuser was charged and found guilty as she'd accused 9 different men of rape over a period of time. Her name was still never mentioned but all 9 of her " victims " had been named and shamed .
    I'm sure there is plenty of "there's no smoke without fire " mentality and those men have to live with the stigma of " he was accused of rape" for the rest of their lives, but she remained anonymous throughout. Don't men have the right to know the name of  someone who is likely to accuse them of rape ?
    Devon.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    Devon.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    pansyface said:
    Yikes!

    I hope the driver was OK.


    Imagine being in the car with the dashcam!!!
    Seeing that coming towards you and there's absolutely nothing you can do to protect yourself!!!
    Devon.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    and the lorry driver walks away with no charges? Let's hope he doesn't kill someone next time he can't be bothered to pay attention while driving too fast.
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    We have a  bridge here which often has lorries wedges under it. 
    Last week a massive " artic " was having to reverse back up a fairly steep him on a fairly tight bend, on  a very narrow road , when he realised he's not get under it. 
    It took him over an hour
    Devon.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    I read a gardening book a while ago about a bloke who moved to the local area and bought a remote rural property with the intention of making a great show garden in the grounds. He got obsessed with having an old railway carriage as his writing shed and set about getting one delivered at great cost and hassle. It's written like a big adventure overcoming adversity but I've driven up the lane where they had to try and transport this carriage and the damage to all the ancient trees and banks was terrible. I think lorry drivers see restrictions as a challenge rather than sound advice though.
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    To me, yes, I think the men had to be informed. But again it's another one of my lines. How do then stop someone taking retribution after being falsely accused?
    It's a mess in general isn't it? Would Weinstein be in jail now if it hadn't been for the media. I just don't know.
    If the media had to give equal coverage to people who had been falsely accused, it may clear their names in a public way, but you still then end up with the doubt in the minds of the public in general anyway don't you? Like the court scene where the judge says '...strike that comment from the record..', the jury/public still hear the accusation.
    I feel for the people in both cases - those wrongly accused and whose lives are ruined, and those who were victims whose complaint is taken seriously by the law until the media push the case.

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  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    I just went out in the back garden and there's a river flowing through there. The house behind is having cleaning work done on the outside and they must be using gallons of water for it to be flowing that much. It won't hurt the garden after all that rain and free water is free water but I just wish they'd done it during a drought.
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    I've just come back from visiting two local garden centres to get the final few plants for pots and hanging baskets.  In the first, one of a large chain, it would seem they didn't have enough space for everything so trays of plants had been dumped on other trays with obvious results.  Staff walked straight past so clearly didn't care.  In the second, a small local one, which has always been good in the past there were large numbers of plants in dire need of watering.  I had picked one up which looked fine but was very light.  On closer inspection the pot was bone dry as were most around it.  Don't any of these places care any more?
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Some do. Unfortunately,our local independent looks after them so well,they haven't even got a rescue me from certain death section😒 . 

    In London. Keen but lazy.
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