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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Not just those @Dovefromabove.Β  There are some fine examples in "working" townsΒ  where it's all too easy for local councillors to be corrupt.Β  Just look at the saga of the Liverpool mayor and the need for remedial measures to take over.

    As for the unions, they all too often used bullying and other tactics to make members go on strike against their wishes.Β  Bringing in the rules about secret ballots and no secondary picketing was just common sense.Β  MT had seen what the coal miners did to Ted Heath and Callaghan and took measures to quash them - after first building up plenty of coal reserves to keep the power stations turning.Β  I do think it all went too far and destroyed communities - not something MT ever understood or valued - but Labour was in power for well over a decade and did not reverse those voting rules and picketing rules.
    VendΓ©e - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    I grew up in a very messy House,my ,( late,) father was theΒ  Boss,as was normal in the 50s and 60s,you couldn't move for 'stuff", I wasn't allowed to have any friends in,so my late Mum knew this wasn't how most people lived. It stayed like that for 40 years. Not decorated weirdly,my father was a perfectionist,when he did anything, so no-one else was allowed to do anything instead. The people he worked with would have been stunned,how we lived,( like a hoarders house) he was a top development engineer, designed machines to design machines,so I can't stand mess stuff left out
  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    Hello Phillipa hope you are well it's MISHAL.Β 
    Thank you @Nanny Beach - I had a horrible feeling I'd got something wrong hence the sp ?Β  Serves me right for moaning ;)
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    I got a ********** on here for spelling Damian Lewis s late wife's name incorrectly!!!
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    How many stars do I get for not understanding the penultimate post and never having heard of Damian Lewis?
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    His latest film was partly set in my street and he was sat in next door's garden having his makeup done while I was doing some weeding and probably looking like I was eaves dropping on them.Β 
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    Huge numbers of died in the wool Labour voters couldn't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn and it seems there are also many who can't bring themselves to vote for Starmer.Β  That isn't the fault of TV, other political parties, or the man in the moon.Β  It comes down to a lack of any discernable leadership or direction in the Labour party.Β  Until that changes they will remain unelectable.
  • NorthernJoeNorthernJoe Posts: 660
    It's not the loss of the unions that broke the link with the working class but the damage done to manufacturing by the unions that led to MT moving away from manufacturing to service industries after breaking the power of the unions. Decimated manufacturing and heavy industry, lack of investment in them, etc. UK traditionally up until recent years of plants shutting down produced among the best and premium grades of steel with cheaper steel from overseas. Could have saved the industry but it didn't suit the powers that be from Labour or Tory governments.

    Basically working class isn't big industry, manufacturing, factories in the same way. No big Union strength. But it's not even the unions that has caused this. Working class now want more than they got in the past. More aspiration , not universal but it's still there. Even if they've worked 50 years at or near minimum wage they're still about wanting more. They're not interested in class war politics or nuclear disarmament or supporting Palestinian cause of supporting South American/, Cuban socialism. They're interested in buying their house, enjoying life! They're surprisingly also deep down patriotic. Corbyn's labour they saw broke with that deep down feeling. At the outbreak of WWI look how many working class volunteers came from the northern England towns. Former Labour heartland. Look where the labour heartland is now, London!! That's where the labour elite came from with Corbyn's labour. He's been out of leadership for 18 months I think but Labour has not purged itself of those far left socialists who are not representing the working class of today.

    They'll come back but TBH the leader will be looking more like Blair than Corbyn.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    I thinkΒ you've hit the nail bang on the head @NorthernJoe πŸ‘Β 

    Gardening in Central NorfolkΒ on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    B3 Damian Lewis is a pretty well known British actor, you hear of BAND OF BROTHERS. He plays a good American accent,his wife fellow actor just died of cancer in her 50,s
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