Thanks @Silver surfer - it hadn't quite dawned on me (even though I should be well aware the advice to limit to very few IDs per thread comes around often). What you say makes perfect sense and it is helpful actually to have it stated again. I think you've asked for some sort of template message from the moderators to prevent this sort of thing happening - it would be very useful, entirely seconded.
It may be the case that with the Japanese plants there may be less of a tsunami of suggestions @chris.elsdon, but perhaps you could pick the ID you desire most to start off with in a fresh thread in the Plants section. I think I can see a few trees that are in the book I mentioned before (Niwaki by Jake Hobson), but I'm not great at ID'ing in general and certainly not from a book.
Rather than flipping backwards and forwards, an answer for say, picture one, can be started in the empty posting box at the bottom of the page. Then, when that's done, move onto another picture and just add the answer to your posting box.....which will always be at the bottom of the page, wherever you are.....of that makes sense! But yes, 17 is rather a lot to try and study and give an answer.
Just pause and think. That works perfectly when no one else has answered...and no one else tries to answer. All these plants need a lot of thought...not just 17.
Very rarely can one person go right through 17 different plants and name all of them quickly, accurately.
This thread is already on page 7. I would need to read all 7 pages worth of posts to see if no 1 has already been answered. Is that answer correct? Do I agree..if not then I have to give my suggestion.
But before I have time to answer 1....posted B comes in and adds a name for no 5...correctly Poster C manages to name 3 and 12 . Poster D suggests answer for 13. By the time I spend time thinking about no 1, and check the facts, another few answers may have been added by others and I need to read those. While I am thinking, someone else may have posted and named no 1 and got it right! Then I go to no 2 and the whole problem continues ... the thread getting longer and longer all the time. By the time I reach no 5, I realise it was answered several pages ago by posted B! Duh!
Then it gets frustrating...messy, impossible.!!!!
Meanwhile I may need to ask for additional pics of buds/flowers/bark/berries/seed capsules/veins.
I do hope this help to explain the problem of long complicated threads and why I very rarely touch them. Very happy to help at other times. I enjoy a challenge.
Thanks very much for your comments, everyone. Thanks for trying to help and also for the suggestions. It all makes sense what has been said. I hadn’t thought of the point about confusion. I will just leave this thread as it is and start an individual query about some of the trees.
Thanks very much for your comments, everyone. Thanks for trying to help and also for the suggestions. It all makes sense what has been said. I hadn’t thought of the point about confusion. I will just leave this thread as it is and start an individual query about some of the trees.
Much appreciated.
Chris
Looks amazing. Have you thought to ask the previous owner to write the names for you? Just been having another look.
Yes to Camellia...eeck..was that no 4. See I've lost the plot already!
7. Is not Ilex...Holly ....which has alternate leaves. This one appears to have opposite leaves which suggest Osmanthus heterophyllus. If I am right it will develop tiny white scented floers.
12. Definitely a 2 needle pine . Could be Pinus nigra or Pinus sylvestris both used in Japan to prune. As far as I know you need more info...eg growing buds/cones to help with id.
Quote..Virginia Tesch dendrology..."Leaf: Alternate, simple, evergreen, elliptical
to obovate, very small (1/2 to 3/4 inch long), shallowly toothed on
upper half or margin entire, shiny dark green above, dull light green
below."
That’s a good idea about the owner @Silver surfer . I will ask. Although, I get the feeling he might know less than me. He is the one who is going to introduce me to the gardener 😁.
In regard to No. 9, I think its leaves are a dull light green on the back. I am going off a photo at the moment though. I will have a look at trying to confirm the other points you raised, too. Thanks very much indeed for your thoughts. They are very helpful and also very interesting. I am learning a lot.
Re: No. 14. Can’t see any buds on the end of the branches, though it may be that I misunderstand. Not sure if it helps, but this is the only other photo I took:
Just an update to say that I met the gardener yesterday for an introduction. I had a walk round the garden with him and the former owner. He is going to carry on with the garden as he has done for about ten years.
I was a bit worried about the pine which had a lot of brown needles and dead looking branches (see pictures). He said it was “sick”. He immediately said he would come the next day to deal with it and at no charge. That may sound a bit unusual on a Sunday, but I think it was his way of saying thanks for engaging his services. I met him again today. He is very friendly and let me watch and chat with him. I ended up helping out pulling off the dead needles and clearing up which was great fun.
Thanks again for the advice. I am very happy with how it’s all worked out.
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It may be the case that with the Japanese plants there may be less of a tsunami of suggestions @chris.elsdon, but perhaps you could pick the ID you desire most to start off with in a fresh thread in the Plants section. I think I can see a few trees that are in the book I mentioned before (Niwaki by Jake Hobson), but I'm not great at ID'ing in general and certainly not from a book.
That works perfectly when no one else has answered...and no one else tries to answer.
All these plants need a lot of thought...not just 17.
Very rarely can one person go right through 17 different plants and name all of them quickly, accurately.
This thread is already on page 7.
I would need to read all 7 pages worth of posts to see if no 1 has already been answered.
Is that answer correct?
Do I agree..if not then I have to give my suggestion.
But before I have time to answer 1....posted B comes in and adds a name for no 5...correctly
Poster C manages to name 3 and 12 .
Poster D suggests answer for 13.
By the time I spend time thinking about no 1, and check the facts, another few answers may have been added by others and I need to read those.
While I am thinking, someone else may have posted and named no 1 and got it right!
Then I go to no 2 and the whole problem continues ... the thread getting longer and longer all the time.
By the time I reach no 5, I realise it was answered several pages ago by posted B! Duh!
Then it gets frustrating...messy, impossible.!!!!
Meanwhile I may need to ask for additional pics of buds/flowers/bark/berries/seed capsules/veins.
I do hope this help to explain the problem of long complicated threads and why I very rarely touch them.
Very happy to help at other times. I enjoy a challenge.
Chris
Have you thought to ask the previous owner to write the names for you?
Just been having another look.
Yes to Camellia...eeck..was that no 4.
See I've lost the plot already!
7. Is not Ilex...Holly ....which has alternate leaves.
This one appears to have opposite leaves which suggest Osmanthus heterophyllus.
If I am right it will develop tiny white scented floers.
https://www.google.com/search?q=osmanthus+heterophyllus&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjs7-H24ITvAhUVRxUIHec9B50Q_AUoAXoECAMQAw&biw=1280&bih=579
No where was I ?
Forgotten what page 7 was on Duh!
Could be Pinus nigra or Pinus sylvestris both used in Japan to prune.
As far as I know you need more info...eg growing buds/cones to help with id.
Would be good to see clear pics of the strong healthy buds at the end of a branch
https://www.google.com/search?q=quercus+castaneifolia&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCv8WT5ITvAhXxsHEKHYJzCagQ_AUoAXoECAMQAw&biw=1280&bih=579
Are leaves dull light green on the back?
https://www.google.com/search?q=ilex+crenata+leaf&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMrpyj54TvAhVIWRUIHSrGArwQ_AUoAnoECA8QBA&biw=1280&bih=579#imgrc=e4Z69H7LbAoSsM
Quote..Virginia Tesch dendrology..."Leaf: Alternate, simple, evergreen, elliptical to obovate, very small (1/2 to 3/4 inch long), shallowly toothed on upper half or margin entire, shiny dark green above, dull light green below."
Just an update to say that I met the gardener yesterday for an introduction. I had a walk round the garden with him and the former owner. He is going to carry on with the garden as he has done for about ten years.