I realise this is a wallowfest for those who resent the 2016 result but, a) surely this is a gardening forum? and, b) WWll wasn't won the day troops landed on Normandy beaches.
We ought to reflect that Eurosceptism was festering for a long time before Blair said in the Commons (2002) that the British people would have to have a say on continued membership of the EU. This would have been noted in Brussels, even though he did nothing about it. Brown followed suit during his stint and Cameron was hogtied by Clegg in their coalition. In his second spell Cameron promised the referendum, but failed to honour his undertaking to go with the decision. Not only did they appoint a remainer to take over but, in identifying the situation as the biggest decision since 1945, they failed to create the equivalent of Churchill's War Cabinet, possibly chaired by Farage, to take it through. With only 2% of the population attending C of E churches, May was hardly likely to weld the nation together with her 'Vicar's daughter' platform, and negotiations stagnated as we all know. The whole shebang was mismanaged, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision nor that it can't succeed. Can we not draw a line under this vitriolic exchange?
I hadn't noticed any vitriol or wallowing. Not sure where Normandy comes into it. I'm reflecting that my local flower shop is currently struggling. Covid has hit them hard and Brexit is making their situation even harder. I like the family that run it, it's been our local garden shop for thirty years and I do hope it doesn't go under.
So difficult to feel compassion @Fire for people that are in a trade that depends on smooth movement of goods across Europe and to have been supporting leaving the EU. Frankly this mess is on them. Failure to engage their brain when voting has to have some consequences.
Chaired by Farage??? I'd like some of the meds you are on, they are obviously class A hallucinogens. That'd be the same Farage who utterly failed to represent the UK fishing community when appointed to that very job.
It also seems to have escaped your notice that the deal has been done and these aren't teething troubles, this is our new reality. A lot of UK small businesses are finding out that their business model is no longer sustainable thanks to Brexit. More red tape and lots of new barriers to trade that didn't get a mention on the side of a bus.
Sincere apologies but, in error, having read through this post, I genuinely thought I was at the tail end of the ongoing 'Brexit' one, the theme being similar, and replied accordingly. I shouldn't have done so, but it was latish so please accept my regrets but maybe there's commonality in both conversations.
I have never understood why some people compare brexit to WW2. I don’t see any parallels myself. And for one thing, this isn’t a war and it’s harmful to compare it to one.
@nick615 - the thing is, what you’ve done is highlight where everything has been going wrong. But a lot of these are things were democratically voted for and just serve to highlight the confusion among politicians and people alike about what brexit actually meant and how it could be made to work. Voters and politicians had very different ideas of what it meant to them and what they wanted from it. Farage shouted the loudest but even he didn’t have a clear vision as to how to make it work. All brexit has done is cause arguments and mess. I still feel that something of this magnitude, with this impact should never have hung on just 52% of the population.
. I still feel that something of this magnitude, with this impact should never have hung on just 52% of the population.
" Only 26.5% of the UK population actually voted for Brexit" "72.2% was an excellent turnout compared to a general election, but general elections are for five years, before you are guaranteed another vote, the Brexit referendum is for life, all the more so because to join the EU would mean joining the euro and that is not palatable to the UK. Only 26.5% of the UK population actually voted for Brexit. Some key groups had no vote such as the two million EU residents in the UK, despite having a vote in the Scottish referendum, paying taxes to the UK government and despite the question being one that could require them to leave."
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I realise this is a wallowfest for those who resent the 2016 result but, a) surely this is a gardening forum? and, b) WWll wasn't won the day troops landed on Normandy beaches.
We ought to reflect that Eurosceptism was festering for a long time before Blair said in the Commons (2002) that the British people would have to have a say on continued membership of the EU. This would have been noted in Brussels, even though he did nothing about it. Brown followed suit during his stint and Cameron was hogtied by Clegg in their coalition. In his second spell Cameron promised the referendum, but failed to honour his undertaking to go with the decision. Not only did they appoint a remainer to take over but, in identifying the situation as the biggest decision since 1945, they failed to create the equivalent of Churchill's War Cabinet, possibly chaired by Farage, to take it through. With only 2% of the population attending C of E churches, May was hardly likely to weld the nation together with her 'Vicar's daughter' platform, and negotiations stagnated as we all know. The whole shebang was mismanaged, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision nor that it can't succeed. Can we not draw a line under this vitriolic exchange?
"72.2% was an excellent turnout compared to a general election, but general elections are for five years, before you are guaranteed another vote, the Brexit referendum is for life, all the more so because to join the EU would mean joining the euro and that is not palatable to the UK. Only 26.5% of the UK population actually voted for Brexit. Some key groups had no vote such as the two million EU residents in the UK, despite having a vote in the Scottish referendum, paying taxes to the UK government and despite the question being one that could require them to leave."
https://encompass-europe.com/comment/brexit--not-the-will-of-the-people-not-is-it-likely-to-become-so