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My first attempt at a garden plan, and help needed with succession planting

Hi all,

Ive been coming up with a plan based on SFG.

Ive got 3 6x4 foot beds and Id like to have a continual crop throughout the year. Im in Devon so zone 8b.



On 2 of the beds Ill have trellis. The left-most bed is the shadiest and probably only gets 4+ hours of sun a day (so hopefully the plants Ive chosen to go in there are quite tolerant to shade?). The other 2 beds get more sun as theyre not in the shadow of my house.

The right-most bed Ive chosen things that need to be covered by mesh to protect from butterflies.

Hopefully Ive selected the right plant heights so that the plants at the front wont cast shade on the ones behind.

I think Im happy with this (although any advice/recommendations gratefully received!).

What Im stuck on is the Succession planting bit! Ive listed all the plant seeds I have. I know which ones need to be sown directly (basically carrots. Anything else?) but what I dont know is how long things take to germinate/grow/harvest, and what should replace what and where (rotating the plants maybe?)

Can someone point me in the right direction or tell me if Im making a complete hash of this?

Many thanks
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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    Theoretically, you should rotate all your crops each year to avoid a build-up of diseases. We have three beds, labelled, A, B and C and just move the crops along to the next bed each year. However, we don't grow any brassicas as I don't like them. I think if you are a beginner, then the square foot system may be a bit too complicated to start with. You have to consider how you will reach each tiny bed to weed and/or harvest the crop.
    I'm afraid I can't tell you how long individual crops take to mature, we just bung ours in and eat them when they're ready! I'm sure others will know.  
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • SydRoySydRoy Posts: 167
    As you're very much a novice veg grower this system isn't the way I would go for now.
    6x4 is quite small so I would concentrate on growing veg you really like, is easy to grow and just use one bed/ one veg. Or at the very least half n half.
    SFG depends on most things going to plan...if you get disease, crop failures or pest damage the whole system gets way too complicated. 
    Continual cropping in small beds like these will also use up soil nutrients pretty quick. 
    Easy stuff like lettuce, broad beans, carrots, kohl rabi, beetroot, radish, peas, runner or French beans would IMHO be a good start. Be mindful of soil requirements tho..kohl rabi and peas  for instance like the addition of lime. Most of what I've suggested could be resown and give a crop if the first is a disaster ...or you just want some more.
    Plus most the above will keep well. 
    In winter I'd replenish the soil with manure (and lime if required). You could try Cavelo Nero or Turnip as a winter veg if your keen but you'll need to sow now. 
    Veg growing is a great hobby but don't make it stressful..and don't worry if you have disasters. Home grown is tasty but stuff from the local veg merchant can be just as nice...and occasionally cheaper once you factor in compost, feed, netting, cloches, your time etc. 
    Have fun.
  • BenCottoBenCotto Posts: 4,718
    I experimented with square foot gardening this season and it wasn’t a great success. The principle of growing things tightly and harvesting them when they’re not fully mature sounded fine in practice but the reality was different.

    The big problem is that plants did not confine themselves to their allocated spaces and big growers like tomatoes, brassicas and squash will have eyes on garden domination. Nor do plants mature at the time they’re supposed to, or they do mature but you do not want to eat no other vegetable but X for two weeks. Some, like carrots, can be left in the soil for longer but that messes up your plans for successional sowing.

    I would advise trying the scheme for a year but try to keep it as simple as possible. 12 vegetables is probably too many; I’d focus on ones you really like and ones that cannot readily be bought in supermarkets.

    I would be willing to place a bet that, this time next year, you’ll be contemplating a simpler plan. 
    Rutland, England
  • BigladBiglad Posts: 3,265
    This year has been my first proper attempt at veg growing. Only two beds (plus planters, tubs and a couple of compost bags (for spuds)). I made the mistake of trying to germinate too many seeds for too many different vegetables. I'd echo the advice to scale down the number of crops you try and grow together in each bed. I've ended up with small pots containing radish, cabbage and peas with nowhere to go (bar replacing any that the pests have got at). I'd echo @BenCotto - some crops won't conform and will impose on their neighbours!

    You're a lot more organised than I've been though. I'm certainly interested to see how you get on.
    East Lancs
  • Yes, perhaps Im being a little too ambitious!!  :D
    Im going to scale back operations and see how it goes for a year.
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    I would say choose three major vegetables - tomatoes, courgettes, cucumbers, big brassicas, beans etc. Then get seeds like radishes, lettuces, cut and come again leaves, oriental leaves like pak choi etc. - these can be sown almost anytime you have a gap (even an unexpected one after a crop failure) and either mature quickly or can be harvested at any stage of growth.
  • edhelka said:
    I would say choose three major vegetables - tomatoes, courgettes, cucumbers, big brassicas, beans etc. Then get seeds like radishes, lettuces, cut and come again leaves, oriental leaves like pak choi etc. - these can be sown almost anytime you have a gap (even an unexpected one after a crop failure) and either mature quickly or can be harvested at any stage of growth.
    How about plants that can be sown at anytime of the year?  Or do most/all plants need to be sown in spring? I need to get my head around what veg to plant at what times so I can harvest at every month. (is that even possible?)
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    Plants that are harvested immature (most of the salad leaves, lettuce if grown as cut and come again, spinach if grown for baby leaves only) can be sown any time because you harvest them before they bolt (start to flower).
    Oriental leaves like pak choi can be also sown anytime and are even better sown after midsummer (smaller chance of bolting).
    My favourite quick crop is broccoletto (raab broccoli) which takes 1.5-2 months to harvest.
    Radishes are hit and miss, some recommend sowing early to prevent bolting but many grow them in succession all season around. There are also winter radishes which can be sown late.  Some carrots can be also sown quite late (July for autumn harvest)
    If you want to grow something like courgette or beans (planted out in late May), you can do something quick and early before them. If you grow something that gets harvested early (peas, carrots), you can grow another quick crop in its place.
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    Treeface said:
    edhelka said:
    My favourite quick crop is broccoletto (raab broccoli) which takes 1.5-2 months to harvest.
    Is this also what they sell overpriced in supermarkets as "tenderstem" broccoli?
    According to google, tenderstem broccoli is broccolini, a hybrid of broccoli and chinese kale and it's quite a modern hybrid.
    Broccoletto is known as rapini in Italy and it's traditional Mediterranean brassica. For me, it usually makes smaller heads but the whole plants, including the leaves and stalks, are edible.
  • SydRoySydRoy Posts: 167
    edhelka said:
    I would say choose three major vegetables - tomatoes, courgettes, cucumbers, big brassicas, beans etc. Then get seeds like radishes, lettuces, cut and come again leaves, oriental leaves like pak choi etc. - these can be sown almost anytime you have a gap (even an unexpected one after a crop failure) and either mature quickly or can be harvested at any stage of growth.
    How about plants that can be sown at anytime of the year?  Or do most/all plants need to be sown in spring? I need to get my head around what veg to plant at what times so I can harvest at every month. (is that even possible?)
    In 3 6x4 beds no it isn't.. if you were a very experienced veg grower, possibly. As a novice ...no chance.
    Grow what you like to eat ....anything else is an utter waste of time.
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