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  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    I don’t think the Gov.uk or NHS.uk are particularly bothered this year.
    No testing needed,  if you have it,  try to stay at home if you can,  over 65’s getting the vaccine,  don’t people under that age carry it.
    I wonder if they will even do a vaccine next year.   Which is why I said I probably won’t have any more.
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • and be ridiculed by the unvaccinated for being frightened. 

    I would say the vaccinated are well able to ridicule the unvaccinated, some of who may also be frightened 😀. 
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited October 2023
    How can anyone  know that ,in deciding what is best for oneself, that that person has not ( already) taken into account the needs of others too? That is not being selfish. We are all entitled to our own opinion. 

    We are of course all entitled to our own opinion .., as long as we’re not arrogant/stupid enough to believe that our own opinion is always right … especially when there is peer reviewed scientific evidence to the contrary. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I know someone who joined a group of homeopaths. Someone asked what to do if they didn't have access to  an essential ingredient for a potion. She was told to write the name of the ingredient in a piece of paper and place a glass of water on it. Apparently, not only has water a memory but it can read too. They were all antivaxxers who  believed that a mutual acquaintance had a child whose autism was directly connected to vaccination. They were all to be protected by herd immunity. I wonder how that went.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • Songbird-2Songbird-2 Posts: 2,349
    How can anyone  know that ,in deciding what is best for oneself, that that person has not ( already) taken into account the needs of others too? That is not being selfish. We are all entitled to our own opinion. 

    We are of course all entitled to our own opinion .., as long as we’re not arrogant/stupid enough to believe that our own opinion is always right … especially when there is peer reviewed scientific evidence to the contrary. 
    I would not call myself arrogant nor stupid but merely stating that everyone has the right to their own opinion. I have never implied that my opinion is always the right one....quite the opposite in fact.
    I am now taking myself off this thread as I feel these comments are
    /maybe getting rather personal which is not the aim of this forum. 
  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    I also don't consider myself arrogant or stupid but merely someone who questions things I don't necessarily agree with and even after reading the articles on here I still have unanswered questions, when I read that doctors can issue a death certificate saying covid is the cause of death without any tests being done then that is something I think is wrong 
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited October 2023

    mac12 said:
    I also don't consider myself arrogant or stupid but merely someone who questions things I don't necessarily agree with and even after reading the articles on here I still have unanswered questions, when I read that doctors can issue a death certificate saying covid is the cause of death without any tests being done then that is something I think is wrong 
    Can I ask where you read that?

    Edited to add:
    Are you referring to this?:
    '...COVID-19 deaths are those deaths registered in England and Wales in the stated week where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. A doctor can certify the involvement of COVID-19 based on symptoms and clinical findings; a positive test result is not required. Definitions of COVID-19 for deaths in Scotland and Northern Ireland are similar to England and Wales....'




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  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    Yes I'm referring to that and when the symptoms of covid and flu can be the same how can a doctor say it's covid on a dead person 
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219

    You were then already aware of that site before I posted the link or had read that Glossary definition elsewhere? If not aren't you then using a latter reason to excuse a prior action?

    I have the memory of a goldfish with memory issues - but weren't Covid tests a late comer to the party (and in cases were in short supply)? If my memory is right, what then should the doctors have used apart from 'symptoms and clinical findings' when tests weren't available?

    Again, I'm no medical expert, but I don't recall Flu tests either (or cold tests or....) - do you then take flu death numbers 'based on  symptoms and clinical findings'... or do you dispute ANY death from illness that is not backed up by some 'test'?

    Do you accept that across the globe (sweeping generalisation) that during that Covid peak period, lots of countries had heightened excess deaths? If so, what do you think caused those deaths?




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  • mac12 said:
    Yes I'm referring to that and when the symptoms of covid and flu can be the same how can a doctor say it's covid on a dead person 
    Autopsy/blood samples  🤔
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