My fiancé, sister and friends have had the AZ jab, my son is 34 he will have any he can get so he can resume normal life. If people refuse the vaccine and then die that’s their lookout isn’t it? It’s unfair to force others to change their lives to accommodate them. If in countries without the NHS they have to pay for medical care that’s also on them. I have friends who haven’t taken up the offer and I won’t fall out with them but they won’t get any sympathy from me if they get ill. I would never advocate forced vaccination it’s a personal choice. Just give me my old life back.
The problem is (or part of the problem anyway) is that people who won’t have the jab are going to seriously affect the lives of people who can’t have the jab. 😢
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Are there many who can’t have it? Not being argumentative I honestly thought most people were fine with it. It’s a tricky one because we are all entitled to make decisions about our own health but if it’s affecting others it’s new territory. I will be furious if people not having a vaccine stops me getting my life back but I can’t agree with it being compulsory. Is this not a moot point though as so many have now been vaccinated?
Certainly those who have anaphylactic type allergies are advised not to have it.
I used to work with people with severe/profound and life-limiting genetic conditions ... some of them have incredibly severe reactions to some things ... I doubt if they can have the jab ... some of them have immune systems that just don't work ... don't suppose a jab would help them either. Their lives and those of their families are tough enough as it is ... don't see why anyone would choose to make the life of a single one of them any harder than it already is.
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Also, although I've had a jab, and will shortly have my second, it will not necessarily prevent me getting Covid ... just from getting it as badly as I would otherwise and consequently not carrying a huge viral load or needing hospitalisation 🤞
... so I'm not particularly keen on going to an enclosed place like a pub, restaurant, bus, airplane etc if I might unknowingly be sitting next to someone unvaccinated who would carry a much higher viral load and therefore be more infectious. I will be much more likely to use pubs and restaurants that request or even insist on evidence of vaccination.
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There’s something I’m not understanding, surely if a person has both vaccines they can still pick up the virus, but will have just a normal flu and not die. Same person can then pass it to someone else, if that person hasn’t had their jab, they could die from it. What difference does it make whether you go into a crowded place, if you’re vaccinated you’ll be ok, if not you run the risk of not being ok. Obviously for the sake of the NHS no one wants to pass it on, but surely that’s what vaccines are for.
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“ I will be much more likely to use pubs and restaurants that request or even insist on evidence of vaccination. ”
Spot on.
Amongst all the other counter arguments to that, passports to enter catering establishments are unlikely to happen. Some may, I suppose choose to implement them. As a private business they have that choice. Personally I think it would be commercial suicide.
For pubs and restaurants, I don't really think it will be possible for them to police it. OK, we may all become accustomed to the idea that we have to go online and book a night out in the pub or whatever, and they can ask for 'proof' at that point - but they really can't either check that your 'proof' is valid or that the people who show up are who they say they are. So you won't actually know. You're just trusting that people understand and mostly comply
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It turns out the jab centres are recommending that breastfeeding mothers don't have the jab even though it's considered to be safe. It's a shame they didn't tell my wife before she went to get hers done.
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I used to work with people with severe/profound and life-limiting genetic conditions ... some of them have incredibly severe reactions to some things ... I doubt if they can have the jab ... some of them have immune systems that just don't work ... don't suppose a jab would help them either. Their lives and those of their families are tough enough as it is ... don't see why anyone would choose to make the life of a single one of them any harder than it already is.
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... so I'm not particularly keen on going to an enclosed place like a pub, restaurant, bus, airplane etc if I might unknowingly be sitting next to someone unvaccinated who would carry a much higher viral load and therefore be more infectious. I will be much more likely to use pubs and restaurants that request or even insist on evidence of vaccination.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Spot on.
Same person can then pass it to someone else, if that person hasn’t had their jab, they could die from it.
What difference does it make whether you go into a crowded place, if you’re vaccinated you’ll be ok, if not you run the risk of not being ok.
Obviously for the sake of the NHS no one wants to pass it on, but surely that’s what vaccines are for.
So you won't actually know. You're just trusting that people understand and mostly comply
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