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  • BenCottoBenCotto Posts: 4,718
    edited March 2021
    I’m not so sure. I cannot really envisage a scenario where people in 2039 will see a photo from 2019 and say ‘Just look at that!’ My instinct is that mask wearing will dwindle massively, the two metre rule will be but a memory, hand hygiene will be no different from pre Covid practices and, if more slowly, hugging and social kissing will make few folk balk.

    I think working from home and the decline of the High Street will accelerate but these changes were happening anyway and Covid just hurried them along. I believe the pandemic has heightened most people’s trust in experts, a breed so contemptuously dismissed during Brexit debates, but I am seriously concerned by the rise of naysayers. Q anon and affiliated pedlars of bonkersdom have flourished in recent years. Will they wither, or continue to ensnare the gullible and the deranged? I think it’ll be the former.

    Finally, just to show my credentials in these matters, I was completely adamant that Brexit would not happen, thought joining the Euro would have been a wise move, was unconvinced that mobile phones would be used by more than 60% of the population and never, ever, ever, even up until the last moment, believed Leicester City would win the premiership.
    Rutland, England
  • Blue OnionBlue Onion Posts: 2,995
    edited March 2021
    I don't think so, I think it will all go back the same it was a little over a year ago pretty quick.  It has in my town - which is still red high transmission rate.  Mask mandate is coming off in a few weeks, not that many followed it anyway.  Rodeo was held in town at normal capacity, as it was indoors but in an open arena space.  Big community events have been going on since January.  Etc.  Things are pretty much back to normal here, aside from a few others with masks in the shops and students still required to wear masks at school.  
    One thing that has changed is my understanding of the compassion (and lack of) of those in my community.  Huge outpouring of kindness, money, and service to those in need, with the complete flip side of refusal to wear masks or social distance.  The VERY SAME people.  The biggest anti-maskers in our town were also often the ones organizing food drives and such.  And those colleagues who I have always respected and looked up to, unmasked in the shops and discussing conspiracy theories of the vaccine (who are also still proudly unvaccinated).  These are work people I know could call in the middle of the night, ask for help, and they would jump out of bed and rush over.. but won't wear a mask (and spend most of the day teaching it with it under their chin, despite the mandate).  It blows my mind.. these people in my community that will bend over backwards to help a stranger.. yet purposely disregard the hands/face/space.  
    I think London will be different.  I have a friend who is a VP at a bank, and just bought a house out in the south somewhere.  He doesn't except to spend much time in the office in at least the next five years or so.  I expect many have gone that way, changing the life of those who spend their days in Canary Wharf and the Square Mile, etc.  
    Edit to add, I do hope it becomes the norm to wear a mask on public transport and airplanes.  I would enjoy getting to a destination without picking up someone else’s sickness to work through the first few days of the trip.  Like travelers from Asia already do.  
    Utah, USA.
  • Allotment BoyAllotment Boy Posts: 6,774
    It must be me. The EU  are whining about not getting all the vaccine deliveries they have ordered,  but they have millions of doses of AZ sitting in fridges.  If they would just get on with it and stop blaming everyone else for their own actions.  
    AB Still learning

  • KiliKili Posts: 1,104
    edited March 2021
    It must be me. The EU  are whining about not getting all the vaccine deliveries they have ordered,  but they have millions of doses of AZ sitting in fridges.  If they would just get on with it and stop blaming everyone else for their own actions.  
    The EU ( and non EU countries) have AZ vaccines sitting in fridges because governments around the world received reports of blood clotting issues. Its the precautionary approach that any responsible government would take when alerted by their governing health authorities.

    I've had the AZ vaccine and felt unwell for 24 hours, no clotting fortunately but looking at the data it would appear that the AZ vaccine is no worse than any other vaccine when it comes to blood clotting. The EU regulator for vaccines will be reporting on the safety of the AZ vaccine imminently and I believe that it will be given the all clear.

    The issues are contractual with Astra Zenica their not blaming any nation that I can see there just arguing for what they ordered from them.

    'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.

    George Bernard Shaw'

  • Allotment BoyAllotment Boy Posts: 6,774
    There is absolutely no evidence that the blood clots are associated with the vaccine.  Their precautionary  principles are costing their populations lives. The WHO  have said clearly that the benefits far outweigh any potential risks. 
    AB Still learning

  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    The incidence of clots, is actually lower, than in a population the same age, who have not been vaccinated.
    The whole situation is ridiculous.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • Allotment BoyAllotment Boy Posts: 6,774
    Quite so.
    AB Still learning

  • jamesholtjamesholt Posts: 593
    I had covid in November and got the Moderna vaccine first of March.  I had a very strong reaction to the vaccine for only a day.  Now having had both covid and the vaccine. I can highly recommend getting the vaccine if it prevents you from getting covid.  
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    My wife's cousin's boy went back to school last week. Within a few days they found out the head and some teachers had covid and half the school went into isolation. Her cousin and his son both have it quite badly now. He's a single dad and his son is asthmatic so we're all hoping neither get severe symptoms. A lot of the adults who've caught it seem to be very ill with it though. I'm still unclear why teachers weren't vaccinated before the schools went back as this could all have been avoided. :/ 
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • BobTheGardenerBobTheGardener Posts: 11,385
    @wild edges I don't think there is an answer to be found, just a bit of hand-waving and statements like 'the decision was made to protect the most vulnerable first, in order to save the maximum number of lives.'  The question really is in the detail of how the vulnerable were defined.  No-one is ever going to put their hand-up when asked if it was them.
    A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
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