I was going to suggest Perle d'Azure but it sounds like it might have gappy stems so another to consider might be Prince Charles which is another paler blue. Sometimes you can't get the one wanted or suggested, just another similar colour one that might suit too.
I am not sure about going over your bay window, it should not damage a rose if you choose a not too strong or vigourous clem. Some viticella are small with more delicate/weaker stems than others. I would think if you cut the stems and left them a while in winter, they do break down to quite strawy bits, so it should not damage the rose much. Is Generous gardener a strong growing one?
The instructions I follow is to give a long steady pull and not yank the clematis stems. If you get resistance then you may have to cut a few bits. I think I found that advice on the International clematis site somewhere, and generally it works.
It is awful isn't it! the choice is endless
Thanks My GG has only ever been in a pot, form which is it trying to escape, so I'm guessing it is pretty vigorous! It's such a wonderful rose. I can't wait to see it in the ground soon. Front garden still a way away from being plantable though, so I have to content myself with browsing at plant catalogues instead My wish list is ridiculous. Perle d"azure looks wonderful, sigh....
NB Many of the plants in the Viticella Group are very different from the viticella species ( small 'v' ), the wild form. They belong to the Group because of parentage, this makes them a very exciting Group, so many different shapes, colours, forms, many of them difficult to propagate. I have National Collection in the garden here in Lancashire, 114 different cultivars and species at the last count, plus lots of seedlings.
I would love to see them, one day. I'm in London, but do sometimes venture further north than the Watford gap Are the species viticella generally smaller flowered and less blousey?
Blue Angel/Blekitny Anioll is much better than Prince Charles IMHO. Lovely reverse side on the petals and very floriferous. Better form too.
In my experience, Etoile Violette is very vigorous and gets bigger and stronger and has more stems every year so needs careful siting or it will swamp things. Have a look at Star of India - late large flowered group - which will flower all summer and be a bit softer in colour against your GG which is a fabulous rose. Good choice.
Thanks Obelixx. Ideally, I'd like to find one that is a slightly burgundy purple (with smaller flowers) that I think would also work well with GG, as well as with the London stock brick of the house it'll be climbing against. Good point to consider about how vigorous EV is. Would it swap a GG, do you think? Now I need to work out how to actually plant them - i.e.: about a metre apart, side by side or in front of each other? No idea. Off to look at your link now - the choice is endless!
I had a GG on trellis in my last garden. It spread across 3 x 2m panels and would have gone further if I let it. Nearby I had an EV clematis on an arch and yes, I think it woud absolutely swamp a GG. maybe OK with a Kiftsgate or Rambling Rector which can get to 8 to 10m and flower above the EV.
Not a viticella but have you thought about Princess Diana or her offspring Maxima/Wellmax? Richard stocks both at his nursery and has pics on his catalogue online. I grew PD in my last garden too and loved it and have a Maxima here that should flower this year and I hope will be as good once established.
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I had a GG on trellis in my last garden. It spread across 3 x 2m panels and would have gone further if I let it. Nearby I had an EV clematis on an arch and yes, I think it woud absolutely swamp a GG. maybe OK with a Kiftsgate or Rambling Rector which can get to 8 to 10m and flower above the EV.
Not a viticella but have you thought about Princess Diana or her offspring Maxima/Wellmax? Richard stocks both at his nursery and has pics on his catalogue online. I grew PD in my last garden too and loved it and have a Maxima here that should flower this year and I hope will be as good once established.
Ok I see. No I hadn't heard of PD or the other one. So am I aiming to get a clem that doesn't reach beyond 3/4m then as rough guide do you think? I love the nodding flowerheads of this texenis (another variety I had never heard of). Thanks for the info about Richard's nursery too.
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My GG has only ever been in a pot, form which is it trying to escape, so I'm guessing it is pretty vigorous! It's such a wonderful rose. I can't wait to see it in the ground soon.
Front garden still a way away from being plantable though, so I have to content myself with browsing at plant catalogues instead
Perle d"azure looks wonderful, sigh....
Are the species viticella generally smaller flowered and less blousey?
Ideally, I'd like to find one that is a slightly burgundy purple (with smaller flowers) that I think would also work well with GG, as well as with the London stock brick of the house it'll be climbing against.
Good point to consider about how vigorous EV is. Would it swap a GG, do you think? Now I need to work out how to actually plant them - i.e.: about a metre apart, side by side or in front of each other? No idea.
Off to look at your link now - the choice is endless!
That's a lovely one too.
Not a viticella but have you thought about Princess Diana or her offspring Maxima/Wellmax? Richard stocks both at his nursery and has pics on his catalogue online. I grew PD in my last garden too and loved it and have a Maxima here that should flower this year and I hope will be as good once established.
So am I aiming to get a clem that doesn't reach beyond 3/4m then as rough guide do you think?
I love the nodding flowerheads of this texenis (another variety I had never heard of).
Thanks for the info about Richard's nursery too.
https://www.crocus.co.uk/plants/_/clematis-prince-william-zo08171-pbr/classid.2000024906/