@Alchemist ..well done ! that's the way to do it... I wish you well with 'Harlow Carr'.. it proved just too thorny for me.. I absolutely love 'The Ancient Mariner' though..
Incidentally, Craig and anyone else who may be interested... there is a most interesting video on youtube, it's 15 minutes long, so very watchable, and it explains exactly what happens with the budding [grafting] process, mentioning the rootstock 'Laxa', why it's used here, and why own root roses are not offered..
It's done by the excellent Pocock Roses.... do take a look if you have a moment, it's explained far better than I can do.. and you can see the work that goes into it with this rootstock..
In the process of digging up a huge Charles de Mills here, grown on its own roots, which has suckered everywhere on an island bed, lovely rose, once flowering but not worth the hassle of the suckers.
Incidentally, did you know that many clematis, Texensis and Viorna Groups especially, are grafted, usually onto clematis vitalba rootstock ? They are difficult, if not impossible to strike from cuttings. BUT then, after a few weeks, the vitalba dies off and the scion ( top bit ) makes its own roots, see my picture.
@Marlorena Thank you for such a detailed reply! And to everyone else who also replied And thanks for simplifying it for me It does take a while for these things to sink in for me! I do completely understand it now And I am going to watch the video on YouTube later, which should be quite informative if it's 15 mins long!
@Alchemist Yes I also disagree wity DA about the cuttings as I have successfully taken cuttings from Jude and Gentle Hermione. Why would they not root the same as other roses. That part doesn't make sense. But they mine are doing great and have grown some lovely strong stock canes already in just 1 year however I did do what Marlorena suggested and cut off any developing flower buds. Although I was so tempted to leave them to flower
No problem @CraighB .. I hope you get to watch the video at some point..
@Richard Hodson … Richard, I didn't know that about the clematis, that's interesting... thanks for the photos... ...this is something that can happen with roses too incidentally.. I've only seen it once on a 'Benjamin Britten' rose I removed, where the rootstock had rotted and died away, and the scion's own roots had totally taken over... a reverse scenario to what often happens when the rootstock suckers and overtakes the budded rose..
I was completely taken by surprise when the rootstock fell away in my hands..
I've heard of it happening in other countries too from those I'm in contact with so it's not uncommon apparently..
@Marlorena I grow these roses our north facing garden in 45cm pots (as the ground close to the wall is v.v. wet) and the Harlow Carr has been a real star flowering non stop followed by Comte de chambord. The Ancient Mariner and Jacque Cartier , south facing haven’t been nearly as good. Hoping they’ll get better next year as they are only in their 2nd year.
@CraighB you are far more disciplined/knowledgeable. I let every flower bloom on these 😮. Probably as a result they are quite twiggy. Intending on give them away once they reach a decent size.
@Richard Hodson Cool fact. Always learning new and exciting things 🙂.
I'm glad you said that about your north facing roses, because this summer I have had the same result, in that all my roses, and I have several, planted north facing with not too much sun at any time, all bloomed like mad all summer without cease, yet some south facing roses just dried up without regular watering, which I rarely do... this is why I always say to people, never be afraid of shady north facing sites for roses,... they often do better in the usually moister conditions..
..saying that, it does depend on the types of roses, I wouldn't grow hybrid teas north facing.... ...you have a good selection, I like all those and have grown them at various times.. I'm so pleased they're doing well for you...
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..well done ! that's the way to do it... I wish you well with 'Harlow Carr'.. it proved just too thorny for me.. I absolutely love 'The Ancient Mariner' though..
Incidentally, Craig and anyone else who may be interested... there is a most interesting video on youtube, it's 15 minutes long, so very watchable, and it explains exactly what happens with the budding [grafting] process, mentioning the rootstock 'Laxa', why it's used here, and why own root roses are not offered..
It's done by the excellent Pocock Roses.... do take a look if you have a moment, it's explained far better than I can do.. and you can see the work that goes into it with this rootstock..
https://www.garden-roses.co.uk/watch-our-video/
@Alchemist Yes I also disagree wity DA about the cuttings as I have successfully taken cuttings from Jude and Gentle Hermione. Why would they not root the same as other roses. That part doesn't make sense. But they mine are doing great and have grown some lovely strong stock canes already in just 1 year however I did do what Marlorena suggested and cut off any developing flower buds. Although I was so tempted to leave them to flower
@Richard Hodson …
Richard, I didn't know that about the clematis, that's interesting... thanks for the photos...
...this is something that can happen with roses too incidentally.. I've only seen it once on a 'Benjamin Britten' rose I removed, where the rootstock had rotted and died away, and the scion's own roots had totally taken over... a reverse scenario to what often happens when the rootstock suckers and overtakes the budded rose..
I was completely taken by surprise when the rootstock fell away in my hands..
I've heard of it happening in other countries too from those I'm in contact with so it's not uncommon apparently..
@CraighB you are far more disciplined/knowledgeable. I let every flower bloom on these 😮. Probably as a result they are quite twiggy. Intending on give them away once they reach a decent size.
@Richard Hodson Cool fact. Always learning new and exciting things 🙂.
I'm glad you said that about your north facing roses, because this summer I have had the same result, in that all my roses, and I have several, planted north facing with not too much sun at any time, all bloomed like mad all summer without cease, yet some south facing roses just dried up without regular watering, which I rarely do... this is why I always say to people, never be afraid of shady north facing sites for roses,... they often do better in the usually moister conditions..
..saying that, it does depend on the types of roses, I wouldn't grow hybrid teas north facing....
...you have a good selection, I like all those and have grown them at various times.. I'm so pleased they're doing well for you...