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Daniel RutherfordDaniel Rutherford Posts: 263
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Earlier in the year I got recommendations for shrub roses and have bought quite a few this year but one of them i am really impressed with and that’s scepter’d isle. It is still flowering beautifully now after only being planted a few months ago. Plus it’s flowers are lovely.


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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    That looks a really lovely rose - how high is it expected to grow?
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Higher than it says on the DA website.   I had them in my last garden and for a couple of years when I was late with the spring prune because of other comitments, the stems grew long enough to be pegged - even more flowers.   Cracking rose.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    That sounds good Obelixx, unfortunately I don't have the room in my beds to try that technique, much as I'd like to. It is a very nice rose though so I'm very tempted.
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    edited October 2018
    My rose is about 5 foot by 3 foot, perhaps a little more, after 3 years, and I'm letting it get bigger rather than prune...
    .... it's easily accommodating in a small garden as a free standing shrub, a fairly stiff habit - I can't imagine pegging it, there's no need to try that, it has its own graceful habit - and continuously in bloom... the scent is very strong, some people think it's like baby powder, but I like it very much..

    @Daniel Rutherford
    I'm delighted you are pleased with your rose and it's obviously doing well for you... I know you haven't mentioned it, but I hope you are not concerned too much about your foliage issue there, some think it's rose mosaic virus, but I don't think so, I think it's caused by insects under the leaves... it comes and goes on roses, may not be there next season...  you also see the same mottling on wild blackberries...   thanks for sharing your photos...
    East Anglia, England
  • Daniel RutherfordDaniel Rutherford Posts: 263
    @Marlorena I didn’t even realise their was an issue with the leaves and it doesn’t bother me at all but I will continue to keep an eye on it. And no problem I just love this rose so thought I’d show how well it’s doing.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Marlorena, I had two years no physical failures in my neck and then my feet which required 3 surgeries at rose pruning time.   I grew this rose in a bed with Gertrude Jekyll who responded by growing very tall and straight and William Shakespeare who was a wuss and need lots of TLC.  The Sceptr'd Isle roses all grew many long shoots which waved around in the wind - not stiff at all - and had many buds at the end by the time I got to them so I pegged them so as not to lose those flowers and was rewarded with the best season's flowering I'd ever had from that rose.   

    In subsequent years I pruned them at the right time and also had good results but, when I find one for this garden I won't hesitate to peg her or any other lanky rose.  It's a great solution to the potential floppiness of new DA roses before they mature and develop some strength in their stems.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    Then I have to question if you were growing the correct rose, as this rose does not develop long floppy canes that wave around, so it does not depend on pegging, or produce growth that can be pegged... the canes are fairly stiff and upright but can be attached to an obelisk..
    ..  'Wollerton Old Hall' on the other hand.... 


    @Daniel Rutherford

    ...thanks... I hope you continue to enjoy your rose, it will get better and better...
    East Anglia, England
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Yes, Sceptr'd Isle, direct from DA and planted in a slightly raised bed of loam and clay topsoil with a 6" layer of well-rotted manure from my neigbours' riding stables all worked in beforehand.   The only rose which fussed and faffed was William S.   All the others grew like topsy.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • COATSWORTHCOATSWORTH Posts: 19
    I have three 20 year old roses they  need to be moved one flora bunda ballerina, then there is Queen Elizabeth, l also have one that l do not know the name of 
    My question is when can l move them and how?
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,394
    edited October 2018
    @Coatsworth on iplayer there's a Gardeners World episode from a week or two ago where Monty Don is moving rose bushes.

    So now is the time - you prune them back so that the top growth isn't too large in comparison to the roots. Carefully dig around them and lift, trying to retain as much of the root as possible.

    Prepare the new planting site, improving the soil and digging a hole at least double the width and depth of the roots.

    in the video, he put some of that mycorrhizal fungi stuff directly onto the roots of the rose before replanting to help the root system establish.

    Then plant it, firming in the soil around it as you go. Give it a really good watering and let it soak in and finally apply a layer of mulch like manure or compost around it.
    East Yorkshire
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