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How to deal with my woody clematis montana?

sabeehasabeeha Posts: 344
Hi!

I have this Clematis outside my front door.

It looks fine from the outside, but this is the view from my inside window:




I have read various things online, but can anyone advice me (with very specific pointers!) how I deal with this?

I recently trimmed it a bit from the outside as the flowers were long dead, but didn't know what else I could touch? I don't want to damage it, and there were one or two shoots from what looked like dead wood, so again, I dont want to clip an area which may damage it.

Even from the outside, you can see a lot of the dried woody bits.  But it is a healthy plant as most of the green mass is above, but you can see a lot of the 'trunk' like stem as it goes into the ground.

I am terrified of doing anything wrong, but any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!

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  • All my clematis are young, green and growing vigorously, only one has flowered so far, the other two are just a year or two old and I have nipped out flowering buds, so I can't advise you sabeeha. I am sure this plant looks stunning when it is in flower.

    I look forward to reading any advice given to you, and also how can I avoid this look for my clematis in future years.
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    With a Montana they flower on the growth you have now so if you cut it down now you won’t get many flowers next year, if you don’t mind that you can cut it down as far as you want to and get a far better plant flowering well the flowing year. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • a1154a1154 Posts: 1,108
    I had a massive one against a (previous) house and I sawed the stump nearly to the ground then dragged it carefully away from the house. It’s a bit of a shock but it grew great from the stump, then you can have a better go at controlling it. 
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    It certainly looks dull and dark from the inside so something needs doing.

    You could try a 2 pronged pruning approach to enhance the chance of flowers next spring.   Cut through half of those woody stems right at the base then leave them be to wilt for a week or two.   This will make it easier to pull and cut out those stems without damaging what's left.   Make sure the plant has a good drink, at least 10 litres a week until autumn.  

    The remaining stems should carry on and thrive and produce flowers next spring.  As soon as the flowers go over, cut out all those stems and remove them.  Give the whole thing a good drink and a generous feed of slow release clematis food and keep it watered in dry spells.  It should produce a whole new set of stems you can train as you like and which will flower the following year.   

    Thereafter, it just needs training to its supports and an annual trim immediately after flowering to keep it in bounds and you should have a better view and more light at your window.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I think Obelixx's approach is a good one sabeeha. I know it can seem a bit daunting to just go mad with the loppers, so doing a bit  now, and a bit next year, might be easier - for you! It also means you can overhaul the support it's on if it needs attention. 
    It can actually rejuvenate them a bit anyway. They get quite unruly once they get established.  :)
    A good tidy up of the bed where it's planted is often a good idea too. You can then add a mulch after watering well, and it will give it all a new lease of life. If there's room, and your soil and general weather conditions allow, a few early spring bulbs can add a bit of extra value. I used to have some at the base of mine in a different garden. Nice welcome for you at the front door   :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • The bottom line is that is planted in the wrong place. A shame really because they put on a magnificent display in Spring, perhaps potential buyers should be made more aware of the possible size of mature montana clematis.   I give talks on clematis to gardening clubs and the montanas and several other clematis fall into this category:  THE THUGS OF THE CLEMATIS WORLD, NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED.
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    You’re right Richard, we have one that’s now gone along out garden hedge and is travelling both ways along the lane outside. Looks fantastic when it starts to flower, all tangled up in Beech trees. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • sabeehasabeeha Posts: 344
    edited August 2018
    Thank you so much for all the replies

    Guernsey Donkey2 Yes, woody as it is, I still feels it looks beautiful when it flowers - but I don't think its healthy to let it be like that - It was there when I moved in, so I'm having to tackle it now before it gets worse!

    Lyn thank you, yes, sad as it is, I think i'm prepared to lose a few flowers - it will still look green though :smile: 

    a1154 I think I would be terrified to remove the whole thing, as it is over my front door, and very prominent!

    Obelixx Thank you! Your advice sounds perfect, and will give it a go! As a beginner gardener, that is something I can definitely try. I did worry how much impact cutting the lower ones would have on the upper stems (as maybe some go up?) but hopefully minimal...yes, cutting and waiting for it to wilt sounds sensible, I did tug on a few and they were very stiff, and I was worried about damaging the plant.

    Fairygirl Thank you, yes I do need to tidy up the base too.. it is full of what looks like dried grass, maybe the remains of another plant long gone? I will definitely consider planting something cheerful :)

    Richard Ah I see, thank you for that information! I am new to gardening, but have thought about planting some climbers in my back garden - will definitely ask for more suggestions when I get round to doing so.

    Thank you all again.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    @sabeeha , when it comes to Clematis, @Richard Hodson is the man.
    Devon.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Sabeeha - I wouldn't worry too much about damaging it - they're really tough, and that one has 'got away from you ' - to put it mildly! Cutting out stems from the base and leaving them to die off means you'll be able to see the dead growth easily for pulling it out from the main plant. That's what Obelixx meant when she said cut back about half of it just now, and leave the other half till next year.   :)
    As Richard says  - they get huge once established and go for miles if allowed. That's why they're good for covering anything ugly - garages, boring walls, old sheds and outbuildings etc. They aren't the best thing for a front door, but if you give it a good chop, you can then manage it a bit better. If you feel [after living with it for a while] it's the wrong climber for the room you have there, take it out and find something else. Lots of lovely clematis to choose from.  :)
    I had one over my back door in another garden, but I trained some of it along the adjacent fence. There was plenty of room for it on the other side too, and I made sure I pruned it each year to keep it in check. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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