Quite a lively debate is this ; perhaps the forum members should divide into two groups ; ardent plant-lovers and those who put their somewhat dubious morals first !
Since when has it been 'dubious' to be able to tell the difference between right and wrong?
As I've said, you mentioned 'robbery' and asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion and have explained why I hold that view. I'm pretty sanguine that my personal and public morals run along the same course. I've not called anyone names or been nasty.
And yes, I do put my moral code above being a plant lover, and above being an art-lover and good food lover. I will not steal paintings from a gallery (not even the corner of one which is hardly noticeable) or slip a bunch of asparagus into my handbag as I go around the supermarket.
That's what having a sound moral code means.
And before anyone makes any more assumptions about hypocritical churchgoers, I'm a devout atheist.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
..... Do I do the ghoulish thing and take these plants to preserve them? Is it more moral to leave them to face probable destruction ? He was a very nice 'fella' who would most likely have wanted these beautiful plants to be looked after , but his unexpected demise has created an awkward situation .
What to do??? Any opinions will be appreciated ! I don't feel like I'm robbing the dead , but the thought of those species being destroyed probably to make space for a hideous trampoline or something like is not pleasant .
I am firmly of the belief that to take something that does not belong to you without the permission of the owner is stealing.
This discussion has been started by somebody who wishes to take something that does not belong to him and seems to be upset when many people failed to agree it was ok to do so.
He is now talking about taking cuttings of the plants in question - that is not what he was said in his original post. Then he talked about taking the plants - implying digging them up in their entirety .
He is also making so many presumptions about what will happen to this garden after the house is sold. Why does he assume that the new owners will not appreciate the plants themselves or will dig them up? How does he know the new owners will not be avid plant collectors? Why does having children and a dog mean you don't like gardening? What business is it of his if they choose to reorganise their new garden to suit their lifestyle? That is a very superior position to take in my opinion.
I've taken the odd seed head or sneaky cutting without asking - many of us have. The difference is that I know I'm stealing and doing wrong and I'm not asking the forum to condone or justify my actions.
Heaven is ... sitting in the garden with a G&T and a cat while watching the sun go down
I think the mistake was asking the question Paul and I wonder if you will enjoy them as much as you would have done if you had just taken a few bits.
I think the mistake was responding rather patronisingly to anybody not giving you the answer you wanted. Ask the question, read the answers and make a decision you are comfortable with. No problem. To then criticise anybody who happens to think it is not the right thing to do isn’t going to garner many positive replies
Paul B3... I think it's better to have just one agreeable opinion, than a thousand views, but how about starting a thread on Brexit and see how you get on. Or whether the British historically have been the greater thieves, or the E.U. robbing us...?
You should top 2K with that... lol... best wishes to all, for a happy gardening year..
What you say about churchgoers is absolutely typical ; most of those are unenlightened hypocrites anyway . Yes, I'm afraid churches are full of sinful people. For the same reason hospitals are full of sick people. When an old lady friend of my wifes died a few years ago , she had several colleagues who were infected with the brain-virus known as religion ; not a single one of them called to see her in hospital in her last days dying of cancer .
Marlorena :- Over 2000 views on this thread so far ; is that a record I ask ?
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Quite a lively debate is this ; perhaps the forum members should divide into two groups ; ardent plant-lovers and those who put their somewhat dubious morals first !
As I've said, you mentioned 'robbery' and asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion and have explained why I hold that view. I'm pretty sanguine that my personal and public morals run along the same course. I've not called anyone names or been nasty.
And yes, I do put my moral code above being a plant lover, and above being an art-lover and good food lover. I will not steal paintings from a gallery (not even the corner of one which is hardly noticeable) or slip a bunch of asparagus into my handbag as I go around the supermarket.
That's what having a sound moral code means.
And before anyone makes any more assumptions about hypocritical churchgoers, I'm a devout atheist.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
This discussion has been started by somebody who wishes to take something that does not belong to him and seems to be upset when many people failed to agree it was ok to do so.
He is now talking about taking cuttings of the plants in question - that is not what he was said in his original post. Then he talked about taking the plants - implying digging them up in their entirety .
He is also making so many presumptions about what will happen to this garden after the house is sold. Why does he assume that the new owners will not appreciate the plants themselves or will dig them up? How does he know the new owners will not be avid plant collectors? Why does having children and a dog mean you don't like gardening? What business is it of his if they choose to reorganise their new garden to suit their lifestyle? That is a very superior position to take in my opinion.
I've taken the odd seed head or sneaky cutting without asking - many of us have. The difference is that I know I'm stealing and doing wrong and I'm not asking the forum to condone or justify my actions.
There is no connection between morals and being a plant lover.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
You should top 2K with that... lol... best wishes to all, for a happy gardening year..