Mizzli, we get the same winters here in central Italy. I've got an uninsulated summer studio/office on the terrace. In winter it becomes an uninsulated greenhouse - without a lot of natural light - for all the pots of things that need protection. I cut back the mint for winter and it copes perfectly well.
Thanks again for your feedback. I have since split the mint and put them in their own pots.
We're aiming to buy one of those three tier greenhouses with cover to put outside and I will probably leave them there all year round - I hope the winters don't kill them completely as by then they usually have large amounts of flies buzzing around them.
Hopefully the greenhouse thing will stop it from being infested with flies and it's eggs.
Mizzli, I know you're bothered by the flies but greenhouses get surprisingly hot inside in summer which won't help the mint. You could cook it. Traditionally, the best place for mint in a container is under a tap, protected from too much direct hot sun and kept moist by drips from the tap. Or kept moist by watering if your tap doesn't drip.
Wrapped in some fleece for extra protection, the mint should be happy in the greenhouse over winter.
Hey all, thanks! I've put my sorry looking mint pot outside (reluctantly) so it can hopefully recover and grow back again. I'll take blueberry77's and grow some contingency incase it dies off. So weird how it was growing fine by the window sill then gets leggy. Let's hope it makes a recovery outside!
I currently have mint, basil, parsley, chives, strawberries, raspberries, baby tomatoes and rockets growing indoors - I'm aware they might end up becoming like the mint if I don't take them outside when I've bought the shelf/greenhouse thing. But once they go out, I won't be taking them back inside again. What do you do over winter (in frost and minus temps) for the plants? buy a cover? save a clipping for next year?
P.s. the greenhouse I'm buying will be one of those shelf with plastic cover type things for small patios/balconies rather than a proper glass greenhouse. I'm not sure how effective they are.
Mizzli, everything needs light/sunlight to grow. I'd get them all outside into decent light if you can. What sort of overnight temps are you getting?
Of the things you've listed:
Chives, strawbs and raspberries all overwinter happily without any protection. I've had mine buried under a foot of snow and they come back. Parsley will come back, too, but I always replant every season because, I find, regrowth tends to bolt.
Mint needs some protection as I've said before.
Toms are treated as annuals. Toss them at the end of the season and start again next year. I treat basil the same way. It's so easy to grow. Ditto rocket.
Those plastic greenhouses are fine. Just bear in mind that they can generate some real heat inside in summer if kept closed.
The plastic greenhouses, only cover the top, front, back and sides of the shelf but the bottom isn’t sealed so I imagine the heat can escape there.
At the moment we are getting alright temps of 0 – 10 degrees Celsius, in the winter it can get up to -3 degrees Celsius or more. I suppose I can buy a cloche/plant cover for over the winter? Ideally, I’d like to leave the plants outside all year round.
Do you also have any tips for preventing little flies and pests? I bought some spray but then realised that we would be cooking the leaves too so probably isn’t a good idea to spray poison on. Lol!
Also, how can you tell if the plants have died over winter? Last year my basil, rosemary and mint all lost their leaves and seemed to stop producing anything and the stalks turned dark brownish/black – I couldn’t tell whether they were hibernating or dead.
Sorry for the questions – gardening is still a huge but interesting learning curve!
Mizzli, I think you need to get a good book about herb and vgetable gardening. Some of your plants are annuals, some hardy and perennial and some, like parsley are biennual. Some hardy, some aren't.
Italophile has said your mint is hardy, it doesn't need any shelter in winter. It is also perennial which means it will die down completely in winter and come up again when the weather gets warmer, but to do that properly it needs to be outside. If you just want to use it in the kitchen then treat it as a temporary plant and get another when you've used it all, like a cut bunch. Strawberries are the same, they die down in winter and come up in spring, when they will need feeding. They like being outside and they need replacing every few years.
Basil is not hardy and will die in the winter, sow some seeds or buy another plant in the spring. Rosemary is a hardy shrub, likes to grow outside but may need some winter protection - though mine (on a south wall) has survived -17°. Being a mediterranean sort of plant it won't like being too wet and soggy, whereas basil doesn't like to dry out.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
Thanks for your reply, it's very helpful in my understanding of herbs and plants. Do you recommend any good books I can read? I've been using the internet and Youtube videos so far to learn about the plants.
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Mizzli, we get the same winters here in central Italy. I've got an uninsulated summer studio/office on the terrace. In winter it becomes an uninsulated greenhouse - without a lot of natural light - for all the pots of things that need protection. I cut back the mint for winter and it copes perfectly well.
Hi all,
Thanks again for your feedback. I have since split the mint and put them in their own pots.
We're aiming to buy one of those three tier greenhouses with cover to put outside and I will probably leave them there all year round - I hope the winters don't kill them completely as by then they usually have large amounts of flies buzzing around them.
Hopefully the greenhouse thing will stop it from being infested with flies and it's eggs.
Mizzli, I know you're bothered by the flies but greenhouses get surprisingly hot inside in summer which won't help the mint. You could cook it. Traditionally, the best place for mint in a container is under a tap, protected from too much direct hot sun and kept moist by drips from the tap. Or kept moist by watering if your tap doesn't drip.
Wrapped in some fleece for extra protection, the mint should be happy in the greenhouse over winter.
Cut it back and put it outside. Strip the lower leaves off the cuttings and stick them in water - when rooted pot up for new plants !
Hey all, thanks! I've put my sorry looking mint pot outside (reluctantly) so it can hopefully recover and grow back again. I'll take blueberry77's and grow some contingency incase it dies off. So weird how it was growing fine by the window sill then gets leggy. Let's hope it makes a recovery outside!
I currently have mint, basil, parsley, chives, strawberries, raspberries, baby tomatoes and rockets growing indoors - I'm aware they might end up becoming like the mint if I don't take them outside when I've bought the shelf/greenhouse thing. But once they go out, I won't be taking them back inside again. What do you do over winter (in frost and minus temps) for the plants? buy a cover? save a clipping for next year?
P.s. the greenhouse I'm buying will be one of those shelf with plastic cover type things for small patios/balconies rather than a proper glass greenhouse. I'm not sure how effective they are.
Thanks again.
Mizzli, everything needs light/sunlight to grow. I'd get them all outside into decent light if you can. What sort of overnight temps are you getting?
Of the things you've listed:
Chives, strawbs and raspberries all overwinter happily without any protection. I've had mine buried under a foot of snow and they come back. Parsley will come back, too, but I always replant every season because, I find, regrowth tends to bolt.
Mint needs some protection as I've said before.
Toms are treated as annuals. Toss them at the end of the season and start again next year. I treat basil the same way. It's so easy to grow. Ditto rocket.
Those plastic greenhouses are fine. Just bear in mind that they can generate some real heat inside in summer if kept closed.
Hi Italophile,
The plastic greenhouses, only cover the top, front, back and sides of the shelf but the bottom isn’t sealed so I imagine the heat can escape there.
At the moment we are getting alright temps of 0 – 10 degrees Celsius, in the winter it can get up to -3 degrees Celsius or more. I suppose I can buy a cloche/plant cover for over the winter? Ideally, I’d like to leave the plants outside all year round.
Do you also have any tips for preventing little flies and pests? I bought some spray but then realised that we would be cooking the leaves too so probably isn’t a good idea to spray poison on. Lol!
Also, how can you tell if the plants have died over winter? Last year my basil, rosemary and mint all lost their leaves and seemed to stop producing anything and the stalks turned dark brownish/black – I couldn’t tell whether they were hibernating or dead.
Sorry for the questions – gardening is still a huge but interesting learning curve!
Mizzli, I think you need to get a good book about herb and vgetable gardening. Some of your plants are annuals, some hardy and perennial and some, like parsley are biennual. Some hardy, some aren't.
Italophile has said your mint is hardy, it doesn't need any shelter in winter. It is also perennial which means it will die down completely in winter and come up again when the weather gets warmer, but to do that properly it needs to be outside. If you just want to use it in the kitchen then treat it as a temporary plant and get another when you've used it all, like a cut bunch. Strawberries are the same, they die down in winter and come up in spring, when they will need feeding. They like being outside and they need replacing every few years.
Basil is not hardy and will die in the winter, sow some seeds or buy another plant in the spring. Rosemary is a hardy shrub, likes to grow outside but may need some winter protection - though mine (on a south wall) has survived -17°. Being a mediterranean sort of plant it won't like being too wet and soggy, whereas basil doesn't like to dry out.
Heat raises Mizzli, do bare this in mind. The bottom being open does not offer much relief.
Hi Busy-lizzie,
Thanks for your reply, it's very helpful in my understanding of herbs and plants. Do you recommend any good books I can read? I've been using the internet and Youtube videos so far to learn about the plants.