Lyn, correct. Obviously, they are adults now but I have always felt very proud when friends, neighbours, teachers comment on how sociable and respectful they are. Where teachers were concerned, they were always naughty politely!! The dyslexic son had an Australian French teacher, just imagine that, who on parents' evening said she was delighted he was so interested in Australiia, but would rather he didn't ask questions in the middle of her French lesson. Grandson, 18, who I brought up also gets the same comments. I'm very proud of them all.
I have a rant but am a bit apprehensive to say what it is. Just phoned British Gas and got through to a call centre. Must have had a crossed line as I couldn't understand a word that was said so am still none the wiser. There, said it.
That was a very gentle rant, Tina. Is it a rant about accents? I always feel very sorry for those call centre staff who are apparently from another culture. They need the job. They must feel apprehensive every time another caller is irritated by being unable to understand them. On the other hand, I fell pretty irritated myself! I lost the hearing in one ear a few years ago through a brain tumour, now safely removed. I have real trouble understanding accents because I have to use guesswork as to what people are saying at the best of times! Got to blame the companies which take call centre jobs away from the UK.
Lyn, I don't know if I feel a need to defend people so much as a need to strangle the people who are rude! I quite agree with not arguing with trolls and other mischievous persons. Ignoring them is much the best. It is the forum members who think it is Ok to be insulting who really annoy me. They spoil what can be so constructive and some people so insulted simply will not post again. My hand itches for contact with an ear! And no, even though everyone now knows what my job was, I did not do that then!!!
Lyn, I don't know if I feel a need to defend people so much as a need to strangle the people who are rude! I quite agree with not arguing with trolls and other mischievous persons. Ignoring them is much the best. It is the forum members who think it is Ok to be insulting who really annoy me. They spoil what can be so constructive and some people so insulted simply will not post again. My hand itches for contact with an ear! And no, even though everyone now knows what my job was, I did not do that then!!!
I was not going to comment on this and had hoped this would just drift away -unfortunately that does not appear to be the case.
In my opinion this is just added fuel to the flames by criticising other forum members-without naming names-as insulting other forum members.
You keep saying a minority-perhaps you should address that minority not make subtle hints-or generalisations?
You have quoted the student in the past-most felt that that request for help was quite rude
I have seen little evidence of "rudeness" on this-this forum is comparatively mild in comparison to many-look how that WUM was jumped on last night and this morning is evidence of what a nice place this is to post.
G/G, I did see the post that upset you and felt as you did, from experience on many boards from 2000 I did learn to leave those posts, not answering makes them angry at being ignored and in the end they vanish.
Tina you could rant at me all day, I would listen politely but my hand behind my back would have two fingers stuck up. Joking aside I am an old fashioned gent who was taught there are only Ladies in this world treat them as such. I am quite happy for a woman to be in her place!!! which is out of my kitchen. Daughters do not mind one bit, they demolish what comes out of it.
Geoff . I'm sure GG is perfectly capable of defending herself but having been subjected to 'hostility' by a forum member, I can only concur with her post. As I have already said, we are all entitled to our own opinion and just because another doesn't agree, it doesn't give them the right to be rude. Just ignore and pass on. Life's too short for unpleasantness and that's not what forums are for. Wums, troll, grids are a different matter and are best ignored, which doesn't seem to happen on this forum.
Frank, I know you are too much of a gentleman to ever do such a thing!! I don't think the two males in the household know where the kitchen is. We are a family of note writers and sorting through things just now I came across one that read 'just in case anyone thinks of using the hoover, they can't as I have washed the filter - it's that thing in the cupboard under the stairs'.
To be honest GG, I was frightened to offend. The gentleman in question had a very strong Indian accent and I began to feel uncomfortable asking him to repeat himself. He was extremely kind, hoped my OH would be better soon (asthmatic so no chance of that), and arranged for my meter to be read. I think!
Tina in this family it is the girls who do not know where the kitchen is. Once staying with a Daughter I got a message saying "could you start dinner I will be home in an hour" Certainly what is it and where is it? "in the freezer it is the chicken you could start it off in the micro wave"??? When I recovered I went to the market and bought a cooked chicken and had everything ready when she came in. That was lovely how come your food is better than mine, there followed a lecture from me about chickens defrosting and micro waves, the dangers there off. Their Mum was a brilliant cook it just did not rub off.
Sotongeoff, I am completely puzzled by by your response. If people have the right to make personal comments about others, I have the right to protest, do I not? Which are these flames that I am adding fuel to?
" It is the forum members who think it is Ok to be insulting who really annoy me. They spoil what can be so constructive and some people so insulted simply will not post again. My hand itches for contact with an ear! And no, even though everyone now knows what my job was, I did not do that then!!!"
and
"Although most people on this forum are charming and helpful, a minority think it is ok to make personal comments about other posters.
I have seen none of such comments-who are this "minority" and the "forum members" to whom you refer??
There are now people looking round wondering what they have done wrong.
Well, Geoff, I think you might have to read again. You know as well as I do that to name people would be to do the very thing I have complained about - making personal comments. So instead, I have done the only thing open to me, which is to discuss general principles. If anyone would like to message me privately and ask me whether I mean them, I will tell them the answer!
But perhaps you can now see how such comments can flame the situation?-OK you have been slighted- fair enough-you felt you had to speak out-that is your prerogative
But to then go onto say there are "others" on this forum does not help-that is how I see it
Anyway onwards and upwards-water under the bridge. ducks back whatever-let normal service resume
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Lyn, correct. Obviously, they are adults now but I have always felt very proud when friends, neighbours, teachers comment on how sociable and respectful they are. Where teachers were concerned, they were always naughty politely!!
The dyslexic son had an Australian French teacher, just imagine that, who on parents' evening said she was delighted he was so interested in Australiia, but would rather he didn't ask questions in the middle of her French lesson. Grandson, 18, who I brought up also gets the same comments. I'm very proud of them all.
I have a rant but am a bit apprehensive to say what it is. Just phoned British Gas and got through to a call centre. Must have had a crossed line as I couldn't understand a word that was said so am still none the wiser. There, said it.
That was a very gentle rant, Tina. Is it a rant about accents? I always feel very sorry for those call centre staff who are apparently from another culture. They need the job. They must feel apprehensive every time another caller is irritated by being unable to understand them. On the other hand, I fell pretty irritated myself! I lost the hearing in one ear a few years ago through a brain tumour, now safely removed. I have real trouble understanding accents because I have to use guesswork as to what people are saying at the best of times! Got to blame the companies which take call centre jobs away from the UK.
Lyn, I don't know if I feel a need to defend people so much as a need to strangle the people who are rude!
I quite agree with not arguing with trolls and other mischievous persons. Ignoring them is much the best. It is the forum members who think it is Ok to be insulting who really annoy me. They spoil what can be so constructive and some people so insulted simply will not post again. My hand itches for contact with an ear! 
And no, even though everyone now knows what my job was, I did not do that then!!!
I was not going to comment on this and had hoped this would just drift away -unfortunately that does not appear to be the case.
In my opinion this is just added fuel to the flames by criticising other forum members-without naming names-as insulting other forum members.
You keep saying a minority-perhaps you should address that minority not make subtle hints-or generalisations?
You have quoted the student in the past-most felt that that request for help was quite rude
I have seen little evidence of "rudeness" on this-this forum is comparatively mild in comparison to many-look how that WUM was jumped on last night and this morning is evidence of what a nice place this is to post.
G/G, I did see the post that upset you and felt as you did, from experience on many boards from 2000 I did learn to leave those posts, not answering makes them angry at being ignored and in the end they vanish.
Tina you could rant at me all day, I would listen politely but my hand behind my back would have two fingers stuck up. Joking aside I am an old fashioned gent who was taught there are only Ladies in this world treat them as such. I am quite happy for a woman to be in her place!!! which is out of my kitchen. Daughters do not mind one bit, they demolish what comes out of it.
Frank.
Geoff . I'm sure GG is perfectly capable of defending herself but having been subjected to 'hostility' by a forum member, I can only concur with her post. As I have already said, we are all entitled to our own opinion and just because another doesn't agree, it doesn't give them the right to be rude. Just ignore and pass on. Life's too short for unpleasantness and that's not what forums are for. Wums, troll, grids are a different matter and are best ignored, which doesn't seem to happen on this forum.
Frank, I know you are too much of a gentleman to ever do such a thing!! I don't think the two males in the household know where the kitchen is. We are a family of note writers and sorting through things just now I came across one that read 'just in case anyone thinks of using the hoover, they can't as I have washed the filter - it's that thing in the cupboard under the stairs'.
To be honest GG, I was frightened to offend. The gentleman in question had a very strong Indian accent and I began to feel uncomfortable asking him to repeat himself. He was extremely kind, hoped my OH would be better soon (asthmatic so no chance of that), and arranged for my meter to be read. I think!
Tina in this family it is the girls who do not know where the kitchen is. Once staying with a Daughter I got a message saying "could you start dinner I will be home in an hour" Certainly what is it and where is it? "in the freezer it is the chicken you could start it off in the micro wave"??? When I recovered I went to the market and bought a cooked chicken and had everything ready when she came in. That was lovely how come your food is better than mine, there followed a lecture from me about chickens defrosting and micro waves, the dangers there off.
Their Mum was a brilliant cook it just did not rub off.
Frank.
Sotongeoff, I am completely puzzled by by your response.
If people have the right to make personal comments about others, I have the right to protest, do I not? Which are these flames that I am adding fuel to?
GG-from your posts
" It is the forum members who think it is Ok to be insulting who really annoy me. They spoil what can be so constructive and some people so insulted simply will not post again. My hand itches for contact with an ear!
And no, even though everyone now knows what my job was, I did not do that then!!!"
and
"Although most people on this forum are charming and helpful, a minority think it is ok to make personal comments about other posters.
I have seen none of such comments-who are this "minority" and the "forum members" to whom you refer??
There are now people looking round wondering what they have done wrong.
Well, Geoff, I think you might have to read again. You know as well as I do that to name people would be to do the very thing I have complained about - making personal comments. So instead, I have done the only thing open to me, which is to discuss general principles. If anyone would like to message me privately and ask me whether I mean them, I will tell them the answer!
But perhaps you can now see how such comments can flame the situation?-OK you have been slighted- fair enough-you felt you had to speak out-that is your prerogative
But to then go onto say there are "others" on this forum does not help-that is how I see it
Anyway onwards and upwards-water under the bridge. ducks back whatever-let normal service resume