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Czar Plum Trees

Would somebody be able to tell me if the Czar Plum Tree would grow well in a shaded area in a large pot? I have a space in our garden which does not get any direct sunlight because of a fence and the neighbours wall but is still a light spot. We currently have a Clematis Montana Rubens growing in the space which is growing very well but I am not sure if this plum tree would do well in the space as well? If not this tree, is there a different fruit tree which would grow well in this area?

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  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    I came across Czar the other day, looking for fruit varieties for training on a north wall (which it was one of the few plums recommended for).
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • ShellhswShellhsw Posts: 8

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    Hope you get the idea of the space with this picture. It is very cloudy here today but normally we do get a lot of sun on the other end of the fence/above the fence in the mornings but anything lower than the fence in this space does not get the direct sunlight. I really don't want to put it into the ground here as it is so close to the neighbours wall but the space is extendable as we don't really use this edge of the garden for anything at the moment. I would prefer one I could train as well as the fence itself it not very sturdy so I am planning on getting some trellis to train the clematis and 'to be decided' plant/tree along.

  • biofreakbiofreak Posts: 1,089

    No no no no - Please no!!! I was given a Czar Plum and told that it was a small tree - It turned into a 'monster' and the plums were pretty woolly. We did not even attempt to move it to this house, and it was only 3yrs old!! I have popped in a Mirabelle which has stayed shrubby as promised. You could try a greengage although I've found them slow growers. Dwarf Stock Trees are normally a safe bet, but I hesitate a little having seen your photo. Very tight space.

  • ShellhswShellhsw Posts: 8

    The Clematis Montana has only been in a few months and I have others Clematis' in the garden which have been in for much longer and grown much bigger but I didn't honestly think this would grow as much as the others because of the area it is in (others get lots of direct sunlight) hence the thought of adding something else. Do you think it will grow large enough in time to train it along the space?

  • plotskierplotskier Posts: 65

    Plum trees can be trained up a fence and require lots of sunlight to ripen those fruits. Looking at your photo of the suggested position for the plum, I think there are three major problems you would face: -

    1. The fence does not catch the sun hence you'd get poor growth and fruit yield,

    2. I would doubt the fence could hold the weight of the tree,

    3. There is not enough space for the tree to grow anyway.

    ie don't do it, you'll waste your time and money.

  • biofreakbiofreak Posts: 1,089

    Sorry - I agree with plotskier. How about a Thornless Blackberry instead. Mine are nice and shrubby and it would not catch on clematis.

  • ShellhswShellhsw Posts: 8
    Thanks for the advice everyone. It is appreciated. I wasn't sure the space would be suitable for a tree hence the question and I'm glad I found this forum now. May go back to our original idea and just make it into a fairy garden for the kids and let the clematis keep on going for now
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