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ID please - is this Toothwort?

DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

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 This photo was taken by a friend living in Correze, France. 

He's had Broomrape and Toothwort suggested as possible IDs.

What do you think?


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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

    Thanks.  Maybe he'll have to go back and have another look. 


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  • Katherine WKatherine W Posts: 410

    Not toothwort. Toothwort (Lathraea clandestina) is a parasite of willows and blooms are purple and, you guessed it, fang-shaped. They are VERY beautiful, and come up in tight colonies.

    I think this might be... if I could remember the name, mumble mumble... parasite of ivy... vaguely orchid like... mumble mumble... will become a kind pinkish puce colour, no leaves of course.... Orobanche hederae?

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

    He has seen the Purple toothwort at the same place

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     but the toothwort I was thinking of was Lathraea squamaria  http://www.wildlifetrust.org.uk/scottish/www/d&g/st3tooth.htm

    but my friend says it's even rarer in France than in the UK so he's quite excited image


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  • Katherine WKatherine W Posts: 410

    Ehm, toothwort is purple and fang-claw shaped. You find it on willows and mmmh, alders? in wet soil. Check the pictures:

    https://www.google.fr/search?q=lathraea+clandestina&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCgQsARqFQoTCJ_ZqN-Ij8YCFYZxFAodCYQAow&biw=1536&bih=770

  • Katherine WKatherine W Posts: 410

    Ah, Dove, you beat me to it. Purple toothwort is rather abundant down here. I love it!

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

    It doesn't look right for Orabanche to me - any that I've seen have more reddish colour than my friend's photo.


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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

    So Edd, do you think it is the Lathraea squamaria?


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  • Katherine WKatherine W Posts: 410

    I don't think so... it lacks "symmetry".

    Check on this link:

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/debbie.allan1/orobanche_hederae.html

    I maybe wrong, but it looks more like the pale version of this!

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    (also, yes I know about the pitfalls of common names, and it's really my fault here, I didn't realize there wer several kinds of toothwort, silly me!!)

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

    image I can't really see any discernible difference between the plant in Edd's photo and the one in my original post ...


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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,138

    Ah, Edd, you posted as I was typing - I'll tell my friend - many thanks

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