The second question is the one that shouldn't bother you. The blemish on the bottom of the fruit is called "cat facing". It's very common and has no impact at all on the fruit or its flavour. At worst you'll get some tough tissue around the edges of the blemish when you come to eat the tomato. Just slice it out. "Cat facing" has its source at pollination, usually as a result of low or fluctuating temperatures.
As to the first question, it does look like a stem rot. There are a couple of versions of it, the one I'm familiar with is a bacterial problem. I fear the plant is cactus, so to speak. Out of interest, when you pull the plant, have a close look at the roots and post a photo.
On the bright side, better the serious problem with the Sungold than the Black Russian. The BR is a much nicer tomato, IMHO.
The cat facing makes sense as it's the black russians that have had some flowers dying - some maybe for some reason it's a variety that doesn't self-pollinate as well. i've been tapping the flowers a bit and they do have fruit on the way.
With the stem rotten Sungold, since there are some fruit on it, should i just leave it or is it a risk to the other plants? Will remember to take a photo...
The Sungolds are on their way to ripening anyway. They're well into transition from very dark green. I'd take them off the plant and ripen them inside in a warm spot. Which won't be a bad thing anyway because Sungold, ripening on the plant, are notorious for splitting at maturity. They're always best picked a little early.
Tomato flowers die off if they're not pollinated. They're of no further use to the plant. I'm glad to see you've got the real Black Russian. There's another variety called Russian Black, a small round fruit, and the naming similarity causes confusion, especially amongst plant sellers and seed companies. People often end up with the wrong tomato.
Have you tried a "Black" before? All of the "Black" varieties - Black Russian, Black Krim, Black from Tula, etc - have an interesting flavour. Sharpish on first bite, slightly sweet aftertaste. They all originate from around the Crimea and both taste and look remarkably the same. In fact, some tom experts believe that a lot of renaming took place when the "Blacks" became fashionable decades ago, that a lot of the supposed different varieties are the same tom with different names.
I'll be interested to hear what you think of the taste.
No, this is the first time I've tried any 'black' variety so will let you know what I think!
They seem to be doing well although like I say have never had any trouble with pollination before so interesting just with this variety. I have found (dont know whether this is normal!) that the stems on a few of them have branched out so there are in effect two or three main ones!
Initially I thought I'd failed to spot a sucker but it really is that the stem has sort of 'forked'!
On a related note I, erm, did clearly neglect to pinch out side shoots on some of the other plants but they've got so big they've now started to flower! Should I still cut them off at the pass?
The huge italien was a beefsteak tom. Have had many odd shapes this year but putting it down to the weather and pollinating insects not liking the rain. The rest of the toms taste wonderful so we are making the most of them. Think the greenhouse has really helped this year
Right, italophile, since you were curious about my Sungold with stem rot...
As per the photos earlier in the thread, above this point on the stem, the plant actually looked healthy - but it had clearly stopped growing and was noticeably smaller than all my other plants.
I realised that the soil was staying wet too - i.e. the roots just didn't seem to be absorbing anything when watering.
Anyway, have chucked the plant. Do you think I need to chuck the pot too - could it be one of those fungi that supposedly can survive winter etc? Mind you, I never got round to isolating this plant and the others all look ok *tempting fate*
Presumably there were drainage holes. The roots will absorb moisture though there's a limit to how much. They will only take what the plant needs but, if there's excess moisture, they will just sit there wet and with every likelihood of drowning and rotting.
It's always a good idea to clean tomato pots between growing seasons anyway. A good scrub with a 1:10 bleach solution will do the job. Wear gloves!
yes, have got all my tom plants in decent size pots with drainage holes. i'm generally reasonably cautious about watering but i suppose the plant could have got infected by something during one of the summer's various wet spells. ah well, i'm not too fussed. more interested in how my black russians now do...
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The second question is the one that shouldn't bother you. The blemish on the bottom of the fruit is called "cat facing". It's very common and has no impact at all on the fruit or its flavour. At worst you'll get some tough tissue around the edges of the blemish when you come to eat the tomato. Just slice it out. "Cat facing" has its source at pollination, usually as a result of low or fluctuating temperatures.
As to the first question, it does look like a stem rot. There are a couple of versions of it, the one I'm familiar with is a bacterial problem. I fear the plant is cactus, so to speak. Out of interest, when you pull the plant, have a close look at the roots and post a photo.
On the bright side, better the serious problem with the Sungold than the Black Russian. The BR is a much nicer tomato, IMHO.
Ok, thanks v much for your help as usual!
The cat facing makes sense as it's the black russians that have had some flowers dying - some maybe for some reason it's a variety that doesn't self-pollinate as well. i've been tapping the flowers a bit and they do have fruit on the way.
With the stem rotten Sungold, since there are some fruit on it, should i just leave it or is it a risk to the other plants? Will remember to take a photo...
The Sungolds are on their way to ripening anyway. They're well into transition from very dark green. I'd take them off the plant and ripen them inside in a warm spot. Which won't be a bad thing anyway because Sungold, ripening on the plant, are notorious for splitting at maturity. They're always best picked a little early.
Tomato flowers die off if they're not pollinated. They're of no further use to the plant. I'm glad to see you've got the real Black Russian. There's another variety called Russian Black, a small round fruit, and the naming similarity causes confusion, especially amongst plant sellers and seed companies. People often end up with the wrong tomato.
Have you tried a "Black" before? All of the "Black" varieties - Black Russian, Black Krim, Black from Tula, etc - have an interesting flavour. Sharpish on first bite, slightly sweet aftertaste. They all originate from around the Crimea and both taste and look remarkably the same. In fact, some tom experts believe that a lot of renaming took place when the "Blacks" became fashionable decades ago, that a lot of the supposed different varieties are the same tom with different names.
I'll be interested to hear what you think of the taste.
No, this is the first time I've tried any 'black' variety so will let you know what I think!
They seem to be doing well although like I say have never had any trouble with pollination before so interesting just with this variety. I have found (dont know whether this is normal!) that the stems on a few of them have branched out so there are in effect two or three main ones!
Initially I thought I'd failed to spot a sucker but it really is that the stem has sort of 'forked'!
On a related note I, erm, did clearly neglect to pinch out side shoots on some of the other plants but they've got so big they've now started to flower! Should I still cut them off at the pass?
Some varieties will produce two main stems. It's called bifurcation. The Cherokee varieties - Chocolate, Purple and Green - always do it.
No, it's not too late to take off the overgrown side shoots. Use very sharp secateurs or scissors and make the cut as clean as you can.
The huge italien was a beefsteak tom. Have had many odd shapes this year but putting it down to the weather and pollinating insects not liking the rain. The rest of the toms taste wonderful so we are making the most of them. Think the greenhouse has really helped this year
Good to hear. Is the beefsteak smooth or ribbed?
Right, italophile, since you were curious about my Sungold with stem rot...
As per the photos earlier in the thread, above this point on the stem, the plant actually looked healthy - but it had clearly stopped growing and was noticeably smaller than all my other plants.
I realised that the soil was staying wet too - i.e. the roots just didn't seem to be absorbing anything when watering.
Anyway, have chucked the plant. Do you think I need to chuck the pot too - could it be one of those fungi that supposedly can survive winter etc? Mind you, I never got round to isolating this plant and the others all look ok *tempting fate*
Presumably there were drainage holes. The roots will absorb moisture though there's a limit to how much. They will only take what the plant needs but, if there's excess moisture, they will just sit there wet and with every likelihood of drowning and rotting.
It's always a good idea to clean tomato pots between growing seasons anyway. A good scrub with a 1:10 bleach solution will do the job. Wear gloves!
yes, have got all my tom plants in decent size pots with drainage holes. i'm generally reasonably cautious about watering but i suppose the plant could have got infected by something during one of the summer's various wet spells. ah well, i'm not too fussed. more interested in how my black russians now do...