Aliesh - no worries. You had me convinced I was seeing two plants with identical flowers.
Sotongeoff - thanks for the tip on easy rooting from cuttings. I've thought about it several times because have to admit my Bowles Mauve looks a sight - and not a positive one! But - because it's been left SO long untended in anyway - the stems are really hard - very woody like from the base pretty far up. I suppose for cuttings I'd have to choose new and soft? I'd love to try. It's been a real stalwart and although straggly it has the cheer-up factor in that it just blooms and blooms - but less lovely flowers than before.
I should just admit my gaffe now. This is maybe one for bloopers thread. I bought the wallflower when it was pretty established in a pot with lovely fresh foliage and more heavily flowered blooms. It was the first outdoor plant I bought a few years ago when the garden itself was nothing but knee-high weeds. I stuck it in the big terracotta pot with the grass in the picture and it stood on it's own - the only non-weed in the garden and it served as motivation to make the surrounding mess a garden again. It was all of 6 months later, when I came across the empty compost bag which I'd saved, did I realise that I'd planted it in ericaceous compost. So it didn't have the best chance from the start - and worse - I never changed the compost - just kept topping it up with multi-p. Oops!
I want to try cuttings and will do the first day we're free of downpours. Thanks for the advice.
Aliesh - no worries. You had me convinced I was seeing two plants with identical flowers.
Sotongeoff - thanks for the tip on easy rooting from cuttings. I've thought about it several times because have to admit my Bowles Mauve looks a sight - and not a positive one! But - because it's been left SO long untended in anyway - the stems are really hard - very woody like from the base pretty far up. I suppose for cuttings I'd have to choose new and soft? I'd love to try. It's been a real stalwart and although straggly it has the cheer-up factor in that it just blooms and blooms - but less lovely flowers than before.
I should just admit my gaffe now. This is maybe one for bloopers thread. I bought the wallflower when it was pretty established in a pot with lovely fresh foliage and more heavily flowered blooms. It was the first outdoor plant I bought a few years ago when the garden itself was nothing but knee-high weeds. I stuck it in the big terracotta pot with the grass in the picture and it stood on it's own - the only non-weed in the garden and it served as motivation to make the surrounding mess a garden again. It was all of 6 months later, when I came across the empty compost bag which I'd saved, did I realise that I'd planted it in ericaceous compost. So it didn't have the best chance from the start - and worse - I never changed the compost - just kept topping it up with multi-p. Oops!
I want to try cuttings and will do the first day we're free of downpours. Thanks for the advice.
Robot: apologies for cutting into the conversation you started here. It's a lovely plant - and I love your dog.
I can't quite work out the conclusion in this thread, but I think the colour of the leaves is a deciding factor. Rocket leaves are green, whereas erysimum leaves are a greyish-green. I have two erysimums and they are both 2-3 feet high.
Right then. I am convinced it is sweet rocket having found it on Google and this photo is almost exactly the same as mine ...
But, as Gardengirl says, I don't have a conclusion as I still don't know if the seeds are where I think they are and if they will be viable only having the one plant. I'm not that up on the biology of plants but always assumed you needed two to get fertile seeds.
Also, as I said in the beginning, I cannot let them self seed as where it is will be concreted over very shortly and any seeds will be gone. I need to get the seeds out and need to know the best way of doing that.
Here is a picture of a leaf and what I think is a tiny seed pod. I took this pod from the lower end of the plant and the tip is starting to go brown so I'm thinking it is ripening. If it is a pod and the seeds are inside, will they be fertile and, lastly, when is the best time to start them off?
Here's the leaf...
Thank you all for your comments and identification.
Hi Hollie hock, I had no luck with them last year, but now we're in a new garden I'm having another go - hopefully the seeds I've got from Thompson & Morgan will show green before long - thanks for the offer - where did you get yours from?
I've grown Sweet Rocket in other gardens - the seedpods will grow and eventually they will open and shed the seeds. As you notice them begin to open at the tip you can either shake them onto paper, or into a paper bag, or do as I've done in the past (and what I do with foxgloves too) and that is to cut the stem, take the stalk with the seedpods over to the area of garden where I want the new plants to grow, and shake it about. Simple as that. Sweet rocket is a perennial so it will take two years for the seeds to produce flowers.
And yes your seeds will be fertile. It's only a few plants that have male and female reproductive parts on separate plants - most flowers have both and all you need is some insects to visit a few of the blooms on your plant and hey presto you'll have seeds! As Sweet Rocket is highly attractive to pollinating insects you shouldn't have a problem
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Robot: I found one of these in the garden and didn't notice the similarity until the flowers appeared. I thought it was a weed and cut down a big bunch of it. It has the leaves like yours. Wish I hadn't cut down the bunch now.
Good morning and a big thank you to everyone who has helped on this, especially Dovefromabove for helping me with my seed situation. Hopefully I'll have a garden full of sweet rocket next year. We sat out last night until about 10pm with a glass or three of ribena and the scent was wonderful. It will be such a shame when the plant finally has to go under the concrete.
Hollie-Hock - Yes, our Alfie is a joy. It was his birthday last week. A big 9 so now he's about the same age as me, but I wish I could run around the same as he does. Unhappily he will be our last dog now and he's been the absolute best. Everyone loves him. We rescued him at six months old - a scrawny, smelly bag of bones who was found wandering on his own and couldn't walk on his back legs properly because he was so poorly. Now look at him.
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Aliesh - no worries.
You had me convinced I was seeing two plants with identical flowers.
Sotongeoff - thanks for the tip on easy rooting from cuttings. I've thought about it several times because have to admit my Bowles Mauve looks a sight - and not a positive one! But - because it's been left SO long untended in anyway - the stems are really hard - very woody like from the base pretty far up. I suppose for cuttings I'd have to choose new and soft? I'd love to try. It's been a real stalwart and although straggly it has the cheer-up factor in that it just blooms and blooms - but less lovely flowers than before.
I should just admit my gaffe now. This is maybe one for bloopers thread. I bought the wallflower when it was pretty established in a pot with lovely fresh foliage and more heavily flowered blooms. It was the first outdoor plant I bought a few years ago when the garden itself was nothing but knee-high weeds. I stuck it in the big terracotta pot with the grass in the picture and it stood on it's own - the only non-weed in the garden and it served as motivation to make the surrounding mess a garden again. It was all of 6 months later, when I came across the empty compost bag which I'd saved, did I realise that I'd planted it in ericaceous compost. So it didn't have the best chance from the start - and worse - I never changed the compost - just kept topping it up with multi-p. Oops!
I want to try cuttings and will do the first day we're free of downpours. Thanks for the advice.
Aliesh - no worries.
You had me convinced I was seeing two plants with identical flowers.
Sotongeoff - thanks for the tip on easy rooting from cuttings. I've thought about it several times because have to admit my Bowles Mauve looks a sight - and not a positive one! But - because it's been left SO long untended in anyway - the stems are really hard - very woody like from the base pretty far up. I suppose for cuttings I'd have to choose new and soft? I'd love to try. It's been a real stalwart and although straggly it has the cheer-up factor in that it just blooms and blooms - but less lovely flowers than before.
I should just admit my gaffe now. This is maybe one for bloopers thread. I bought the wallflower when it was pretty established in a pot with lovely fresh foliage and more heavily flowered blooms. It was the first outdoor plant I bought a few years ago when the garden itself was nothing but knee-high weeds. I stuck it in the big terracotta pot with the grass in the picture and it stood on it's own - the only non-weed in the garden and it served as motivation to make the surrounding mess a garden again. It was all of 6 months later, when I came across the empty compost bag which I'd saved, did I realise that I'd planted it in ericaceous compost. So it didn't have the best chance from the start - and worse - I never changed the compost - just kept topping it up with multi-p. Oops!
I want to try cuttings and will do the first day we're free of downpours. Thanks for the advice.
Robot: apologies for cutting into the conversation you started here. It's a lovely plant - and I love your dog.
I can't quite work out the conclusion in this thread, but I think the colour of the leaves is a deciding factor. Rocket leaves are green, whereas erysimum leaves are a greyish-green. I have two erysimums and they are both 2-3 feet high.
Right then. I am convinced it is sweet rocket having found it on Google and this photo is almost exactly the same as mine ...
But, as Gardengirl says, I don't have a conclusion as I still don't know if the seeds are where I think they are and if they will be viable only having the one plant. I'm not that up on the biology of plants but always assumed you needed two to get fertile seeds.
Also, as I said in the beginning, I cannot let them self seed as where it is will be concreted over very shortly and any seeds will be gone. I need to get the seeds out and need to know the best way of doing that.
Here is a picture of a leaf and what I think is a tiny seed pod. I took this pod from the lower end of the plant and the tip is starting to go brown so I'm thinking it is ripening. If it is a pod and the seeds are inside, will they be fertile and, lastly, when is the best time to start them off?
Here's the leaf...
Thank you all for your comments and identification.
Wild Phlox indeed - what am I like
Hi Hollie hock, I had no luck with them last year, but now we're in a new garden I'm having another go - hopefully the seeds I've got from Thompson & Morgan will show green before long - thanks for the offer - where did you get yours from?
I've grown Sweet Rocket in other gardens - the seedpods will grow and eventually they will open and shed the seeds. As you notice them begin to open at the tip you can either shake them onto paper, or into a paper bag, or do as I've done in the past (and what I do with foxgloves too) and that is to cut the stem, take the stalk with the seedpods over to the area of garden where I want the new plants to grow, and shake it about. Simple as that. Sweet rocket is a perennial so it will take two years for the seeds to produce flowers.
And yes your seeds will be fertile. It's only a few plants that have male and female reproductive parts on separate plants - most flowers have both and all you need is some insects to visit a few of the blooms on your plant and hey presto you'll have seeds! As Sweet Rocket is highly attractive to pollinating insects you shouldn't have a problem
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Robot: I found one of these in the garden and didn't notice the similarity until the flowers appeared. I thought it was a weed and cut down a big bunch of it. It has the leaves like yours. Wish I hadn't cut down the bunch now.
Good morning and a big thank you to everyone who has helped on this, especially Dovefromabove for helping me with my seed situation. Hopefully I'll have a garden full of sweet rocket next year. We sat out last night until about 10pm with a glass or three of ribena and the scent was wonderful. It will be such a shame when the plant finally has to go under the concrete.
Hollie-Hock - Yes, our Alfie is a joy. It was his birthday last week. A big 9 so now he's about the same age as me, but I wish I could run around the same as he does. Unhappily he will be our last dog now and he's been the absolute best. Everyone loves him. We rescued him at six months old - a scrawny, smelly bag of bones who was found wandering on his own and couldn't walk on his back legs properly because he was so poorly. Now look at him.
Bless....