punkdoc, why, are you really that ignorant, shouldn't parents be responsible for their children's actions. it is the over use of emotive language by people like you that is an example of the way in which society has degenerated.What statement exactly do you disagree with.
These young people are the children of an underclass which has grown since the 80s; people who are alienated from the rest of society by an education which doesn't fit them for employment and their consequent inability to attain the material goods that society tells us we must have in order to be 'happy'. They don't value themselves or other people - they want 'respect' but have no idea what it means.
The damage done to many young people in the care system (remember I was employed by Social Services) doesn't suggest that it is a panacea for a troubled childhood, and the inadvisability of training troubled young men to fight is evidenced by the number of ex-soldiers in our prisons or selling Big Issues on our street corners. Exactly what benefit there is to be gained from prosecuting the parents of children who are already out of control I cannot imagine.
The only thing that will improve things is for those who govern this country to send their children to the schools that also educate the children of the sink estates - then those with power will ensure that all children have an education that fits them for life in the 21st century.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
The parents are failing the children, if it's not the social services who will look after their needs. The military will teach them a trade that will enable them to support themselves and have pride in their own abilities, it's not just about fighting, in fact I do not support any involvement in Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq and wish our politicians would stop interfering.I do not agree that military service is detrimental to persons development. It is often argued that boxing and other contact sports teaches restraint.
Teaching is the most important of all the professions, and is fundamental to the future for our society.
If a parent is made to be responsible for their child a lot of problems would be solved, it cannot be on a voluntary basis there must be recourse to legal action,even if it is a last resort.
How would you solve the problem of young thugs roaming the streets?
Unfortunately the army that taught young men a trade is a thing of the past. They're in there long enough to do a couple of tours overseas and then they're out again and the next lot are recruited. By the time my friend had got used to the idea that her eldest was a soldier he was out again and her youngest was on his first tour!
And unfortunately we now have two generations of inadequates - you can't make an inadequate parent into a good one without a great deal of support. But support for struggling parents has been cut and cut in order to keep the Council Tax down.
And we won't solve the problems of young thugs on the streets by closing the police stations in rural areas and concentrating the few police there are in a police station 15 miles away, but that's what's happened in the area we're talking about. It can take police 45 minutes to respond to a call, if there's a squad car free. But that sort of policing keeps the Council Tax down.
And why do we have to keep the Council Tax down? Because governments of every colour have repeatedly cut their contribution to the local authority finances in real terms and capped any rise. It's easy for them to do that because it won't be the government that gets the blame - it'll be the local authority that gets the blame when they can't provide the services, like state education, that keep society functioning.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I've not read all the posts as I'm coming off now and don't want to get into a debate, but I am so sorry about your son Dove, makes me feeling sorry for myself look daft!! I hope the scum (can't call them anything else) get what they deserve.
Ok, I will change my terminology on the manure thread. I do think though it just sounds a bit 'clinical' and 'correct' saying faeces, can you imagine me saying to my boys.... "Boys would you mind kindly picking the faeces up off the lawn before you engage in a football game"?? Doesn't quite have the same ring to it as "Boys, pick up the dog poo before you play football"??
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Dove, I find your story truly depressing and a sad inditement of Britain today.
However AWB, what you suggest is nothing more than Nazism.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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punkdoc, why, are you really that ignorant, shouldn't parents be responsible for their children's actions. it is the over use of emotive language by people like you that is an example of the way in which society has degenerated.What statement exactly do you disagree with.
These young people are the children of an underclass which has grown since the 80s; people who are alienated from the rest of society by an education which doesn't fit them for employment and their consequent inability to attain the material goods that society tells us we must have in order to be 'happy'. They don't value themselves or other people - they want 'respect' but have no idea what it means.
The damage done to many young people in the care system (remember I was employed by Social Services) doesn't suggest that it is a panacea for a troubled childhood, and the inadvisability of training troubled young men to fight is evidenced by the number of ex-soldiers in our prisons or selling Big Issues on our street corners. Exactly what benefit there is to be gained from prosecuting the parents of children who are already out of control I cannot imagine.
The only thing that will improve things is for those who govern this country to send their children to the schools that also educate the children of the sink estates - then those with power will ensure that all children have an education that fits them for life in the 21st century.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
The parents are failing the children, if it's not the social services who will look after their needs. The military will teach them a trade that will enable them to support themselves and have pride in their own abilities, it's not just about fighting, in fact I do not support any involvement in Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq and wish our politicians would stop interfering.I do not agree that military service is detrimental to persons development. It is often argued that boxing and other contact sports teaches restraint.
Teaching is the most important of all the professions, and is fundamental to the future for our society.
If a parent is made to be responsible for their child a lot of problems would be solved, it cannot be on a voluntary basis there must be recourse to legal action,even if it is a last resort.
How would you solve the problem of young thugs roaming the streets?
Unfortunately the army that taught young men a trade is a thing of the past. They're in there long enough to do a couple of tours overseas and then they're out again and the next lot are recruited. By the time my friend had got used to the idea that her eldest was a soldier he was out again and her youngest was on his first tour!
And unfortunately we now have two generations of inadequates - you can't make an inadequate parent into a good one without a great deal of support. But support for struggling parents has been cut and cut in order to keep the Council Tax down.
And we won't solve the problems of young thugs on the streets by closing the police stations in rural areas and concentrating the few police there are in a police station 15 miles away, but that's what's happened in the area we're talking about. It can take police 45 minutes to respond to a call, if there's a squad car free. But that sort of policing keeps the Council Tax down.
And why do we have to keep the Council Tax down? Because governments of every colour have repeatedly cut their contribution to the local authority finances in real terms and capped any rise. It's easy for them to do that because it won't be the government that gets the blame - it'll be the local authority that gets the blame when they can't provide the services, like state education, that keep society functioning.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
However, maybe this particular branchline of this particular thread has gone far enough for the time being.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I agree, it's getting too political, we all agree something must be done, I just hope it's not too late.
I've not read all the posts as I'm coming off now and don't want to get into a debate, but I am so sorry about your son Dove, makes me feeling sorry for myself look daft!! I hope the scum (can't call them anything else) get what they deserve.
Anyway, hugs to Dove, I'm off now xx
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