Thanks HG (it's some much easier to type ), when (if) it stops raining I will give that a go....and if I have no apples in autumn I know when to come looking LOL. Tress actually scare me more than plants as I really don't want to kill my well established apple tree and last year I had a nightmare with my new plum, I have since learnt that I should remove some of the plums in June and then the branches wouldn't have broken
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