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Acer pruning mistakes

My acers have grown some ugly long shoots after being pruned by a professional gardener in the summer. The aim was to contain their growth a bit but they actually ruined their beautiful shape. What can I do now? Thank you for any help.



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  • It depends what their shape was to start with...some varieties do have more upright growth and can look like yours right now. Shame anyone that would describe their profession as gardener would agree to prune an Acer in summertime. 

    I suppose you have to either allow them to take the space they need or keep pruning them with a consequence looking less natural. At least early spring before they start leading out is the perfect time to shape them a bit.

    The usual approach with them is to prune as little as possible...I go past daily what could be a nice specimen in a neighbouring front garden and it sadly gets trimmed alongside a hedge to a flat top by their "gardeners" and it's so sad. 
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  • Hello, thanks for your comments. This specific acer had more of a 'rounded' shape, no upright growth like it has now. I agree that a natural shape is more beautiful. So now what would you suggest, I suppose the choice is between I leave it as it is and see what happens in spring, or I try to restore the original shape...? But I can see that it is starting to grow new buds already...
  • Allotment BoyAllotment Boy Posts: 6,774
    I wish I had a pound for every time I've said this on here, but once again...

    The Japanese prune Acers in all seasons, just not in early spring when the sap is rising.  That said, large structural cuts should be restricted to the winter dormant season only. Like any plant, if you prune hard it will stimulate growth as the tree tries to rebalance itself. Normally you take long growth back to 2buds now and one bud in late summer,  but I  think if you try that on your tree it will just shoot off again. Cut the longest growth back by 1/3 to a bud or suitable branch point. Thin some of the most congested growth carefully.   See how it responds, in late spring early summer shape it some more;  do it again in late summer. Keep stepping back look at it from all angles, you want it controlled but still looking resonably natural. It will take several seasons to  achieve a good shape. Gradually the tree will  back bud and give you nice short nodes, to work with. 


    It has taken more than 5 years to achieve this . There is still too big a gap between the top and second layer but you can't always have perfection. 

     
    AB Still learning

  • Thank you very much. I will have a good look at my tree tomorrow and will try to follow your advice!
  • And despite all your desperation repeating yourself @Allotment Boy we really don't disagree...and indeed good for people to have patience. And one person's trim is another's mowing down with a hedge trimmer.

    If people want to keep acers truly size controlled then maybe they should consider using large pots (can take the bottom off to make maintenance easier). 

    I fear too frequently people just remove too much growth and short term make their tree ugly and they just give up on them. Which is a huge shame for what is usually quite an expensive addition to any garden. 
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I think the problem is that, as @amancalledgeorge is saying, it's very easy for people to hack back too far at an unsuitable time. I always use caution if it's a more novice gardener asking about pruning acers, simply because they are novices, and the majority of queries are from less experienced gardeners. Many acers have a naturally weeping or spreading habit too, so it's good to do a bit of research early on before cutting back too much.
    Once you're a bit more experienced, and more confident, you can take more risks, but I'd hate it if I said to someone they can prune in summer no problem, and then the thing dies because they've taken every branch back by two thirds instead of a few inches!
    Slowly, slowly to start with, then a bit of experimenting in the main growing season, is the best way to proceed.
    They aren't like many other shrubs which you can cut to the ankles and they just grow back no problem, and it can be disheartening if you cut too much then try to make it right. A bit like fringes.... ;)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Allotment BoyAllotment Boy Posts: 6,774
    @amancalledgeorge, hear hear,
    It's just that so many British gardeners seem obsessed that if you cut an Acer at any time other than the dead of winter it will bleed to death.  I echo your comments about the butchery of many plants by so called gardener's.  
    Going back to the OP I'm also wondering if the  tree is meant to be an upright type.
    AB Still learning

  • Another problem is a lot of buyers of acers see lovely small specimens growing in GCs and buy them without researching the ultimate size and shape. When the tree reaches what the purchaser considers, in their opinion, the maximum height or shape they want, they do not realise the tree will not just stop growing for them.
    Then the controlling kicks in.
  • Hi @Allotment Boy

    I am adding the best photo I could find of what the tree looked like before the pruning. It's of a year ago, and this was its natural shape, how it grew by itself without any intervention. It's an acer palmatum pixie. I hope the difference with now is clear enough.

    Then, since the discussion has gone a bit beyond my original question, I would like to point out a couple of things from my point of view. I have a small garden but I do not consider myself a gardener, that's why I asked a professional gardener, who had been recommended to me, to do some work in the garden for me. I didn't even specifically ask to prune the acer!! I asked for intervention appropriate to the season in order to keep the garden looking good and the plants healthy. Now I think I might as well make my own mistakes, take risks and try to learn a bit of gardening, rather than paying anyone for making mistakes in my own garden! ;) This tree, by the way, was planted in that spot by another professional gardener/garden designer, I think about 5 years ago. The other thing I have learnt (more generally, not specifically about this acer issue) is that garden designers, or those who call themselves so, tend to put a lot of plants in to give their clients immediate gratification, without worrying about the fact that plants will grow and change...

    So I guess my point is: People who work like that do a disservice not just to themselves but to the whole category, because I now find it hard to trust anyone to know what they are doing or to do what is really best for the garden.

    Also, I really appreciate you people taking your time to help and I appreciate your passion. Thank you!




  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    "Professional" gardeners don't often have aesthetic sensitivity.

    I suggest you prune to get the shape you want (in about 3 years ahead say).  Look at a bonzai book.  Cut the long shoot right back; to an outward pointing bud/shoot.  Perhaps leave 1 or 2.  Do the same for over-long side shoots.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
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