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Tree ideas... Please :)

Hello!

A while back I posted a thread concerning this tree in my front garden:

https://forum.gardenersworld.com/discussion/1073628/prune-and-thin-scots-pine#latest

5 tree surgeons later, and the general view is that it's going to keep growing vigorously and its all mainly 'dead' on the inside and will be a bit of a sisyphean task to manage it. Checking Google Street View historical images has confirmed just how fast this is growing. Even the last one year! In a couple of years time the canopy will be a few feet from the bedroom window, and the entire garden will be cast into dark, especially in the winter months, being evergreen.

So - it's got to come down. But I want to replace it with something. I am exposed to coastal winds and on sandy free draining soil. One idea that was put to me was a Ginkgo Biloba, as I was keen for the autumn colour. 

Wondering if anyone has any good ideas for a deciduous tree to replace this pine with. Attached a site photo.. (for some reason it doesn't look half as imposing on the photo as it does in real life)!


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  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    From its mop-headed appearance I think it's a compact cultivar of pine, e.g. Pinus sylvestris 'Watereri' - there are quite a few of these in front gardens near me. Is it really growing that fast? I would keep it. Ginkgo biloba is a pretty big tree too, potentially quite a lot bigger if this is Pinus 'Watereri'.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • ViewAheadViewAhead Posts: 866
    edited November 2023
    Personally, I would keep it too.  It looks very healthy and a lovely shape.  It will cool your home in hot weather and provide a barrier to noise.  Coastal, and therefore salt-laden, winds can be a problem for many trees.  Combine that with sandy soil and your range is further limited.  You would also need something with a very upright habit if reaching the windows is likely to be an issue.  

    What you have appears to be far enough from your neighbour's boundary to prevent the canopy causing a problem, and despite it being evergreen, as the lowest branches are well above the ground, sunlight will reach the plants below.

    Have I sold you on the idea of keeping it yet? 😉
  • PlantmindedPlantminded Posts: 3,580
    If that is a Pinus sylvestris Watereri (Dwarf Scots Pine), they can be cloud pruned if that appeals to you, as seen in this link: https://www.deepdale-trees.co.uk/trees/2019/02-Pinus-sylvestris-watereri.html
    Wirral. Sandy, free draining soil.


  • @ViewAhead. Since reading your post, I have told three neighbours I bumped in to that I planned to take it down - sort of testing sentiment, a bit like Governments do!  :) In all cases they seemed a little disappointed! I've also done a fair bit of soul searching! I have been tempted to keep it, and monitor it's growth a little more. The chainsaw has been cancelled, certainly for now. 

    @Loxley I know some people have suggested it could be a Stone Pine - it's probably definitely one of the two

    @Plantminded - thanks - I will look in to that. It may be a little large for me to effectively do that now, but I will read a little more.

    Another thing which sobered me was the price of large trees. Quoted approx £1100 to buy and get a mature Ginko planted, not to mention the felling prices.  Either that or have a big empty space until a young tree replaced it. 

    Appreciate all of your input on this. I don't really know many gardeners, so it's great to bounce ideas off you all here!

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  • Oh, I am pleased your neighbours aren't hankering for you to get it removed, as that kind of pressure can be hard to resist. 👍

    It gets a reprieve!  Splendid.

    If you do get a replacement at some point, I would really urge you to get something young.  A large tree will be much harder to establish and less likely to do well.  True, watching a twig-thin sapling take to its new home and thrive is a long game ... but that's how nature does things.  I can't tell you the pleasure I have derived from observing my garden mature over two decades.  One of life's greatest experiences, IMV. 🙂
  • coccinellacoccinella Posts: 1,428
    It's a beautiful tree. I think you have made the right decision in keeping it, I hope it works out for you.

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  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    ViewAhead said:
    If you do get a replacement at some point, I would really urge you to get something young.  A large tree will be much harder to establish and less likely to do well.  True, watching a twig-thin sapling take to its new home and thrive is a long game ... but that's how nature does things.  I can't tell you the pleasure I have derived from observing my garden mature over two decades.  One of life's greatest experiences, IMV. 🙂
    If you foresee the tree getting too big in the future, you could plant a new specimen a bit closer to the fence, so it is further from the house. Then when it has grown to a substantial size, you can fell the original tree.

    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Glad you're keeping it. It's not that big really, as trees go.
    We're surrounded by mature trees here - Scots Pines, Birch, Horse chestnut, Oaks, Firs etc. Many of the pines are very close to properties, and they're absolutely fine. 

    You'll know quite quickly if it becomes diseased in any way, and needs removing, but it looks great. A lovely specimen for the front garden.  :)  
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • PlantmindedPlantminded Posts: 3,580
    I'm pleased that the tree is staying too! It adds a lot of character to your garden. Without it you would have less protection from those strong coastal winds. I'm not sure that I'd plant a tree closer to your fence though because of the proximity to the pavement and parked cars.
    Wirral. Sandy, free draining soil.


  • PlantmindedPlantminded Posts: 3,580
    edited November 2023
    When my neighbour moved in at the back about three years ago he removed one conifer but decapitated another alongside it. A sad sight! Last week he called round to say it is going to be removed. Good, my view will improve! Instead of growing upwards and maintaining its conical shape it has grown outwards, overhanging my garden. Before and now:



    Wirral. Sandy, free draining soil.


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