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Help with old Photinia Red Robin shrub

Trying to revive the leaves on my Photinia Red Robin which must be around 20 yrs old! 
The leaves were very pale and there were occasional small spots on them. So far I have fed with Seaweed fertiliser, tried Epsom salts for possible lack of magnesium. In early August after researching I cut back quite hard about half to a third while new leaves and vigorous growth were coming through.
The new young red leaves looked good to start with but now all leaves are again so pale and I’m not sure if I should give up or try something else or wait and see till next Spring.
Any help/suggestions would be most welcome! I attach photos of the leaves.  Thank you
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  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @kay.comley362 There is little you can do other than wait for spring. Feeding is best carried out in spring too.
    I assume it is in the ground after all these years. They hate wet soil and cold winds, leaves burn and develop spots. There is one in the street outside that dropped all it's leaves last winter but survived.
    A waiting game I think. 
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • @GardenerSuze thank you for your reply. Yes it is in the ground and I mulch around it each autumn with home made compost to improve the soil. I just wish I knew what it was lacking - could it be iron? With all the rain currently it is getting soaked - as you say all I can do is wait and hope the leaves recover to their former glory! Thank you
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @kay.comley362 Is your soil heavy clay or do you have any drainage issues where it grows? Last November was very wet and December cold. With extremes I wonder if this could be the cause.
    Often yellowing of leaves can point out a deficiency but it could also be too wet.
    The soil here is heavy clay the Photinia I mentioned was planted last year on a new estate. I won't be growing one in my new garden.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • @GardenerSuze It is not too heavy as I have improved it with compost dug into it, but maybe I could fork all round to improve drainage some more.  Yes last year was very cold - I lost my lovely pink Cordyline in a pot :(  this year my new Cordyline has been moved under the porch to keep it warmer and drier!

  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Unless they have a combination of warmth and moisture, they tend to look awful, and don't thrive, especially the ones grown as standards. 
    Having said that - I haven't seen one looking like that. They usually have black spot and dropped foliage here, for the reasons given - wet, cold clay soil.
    I'm not sure I'd persist with that specimen. Is there a lot of other planting next to it? It shouldn't look as sickly as that, which suggests a problem with what it's growing in. 

    The problem last winter wasn't the cold temps as such - it was the sudden drop between wamr and wet, to a freeze. That's why cordylines did so badly in so many places. They need similar conditions to those Photinias - warm and wet, but with good drainage. It's why they do well in coastal locations.  :)
    I still considered last winter to be mild, because of the amount of warm weather we had here, rather than temps gradually dropping from September onwards - we had no frost in October at all. I lost Phormiums [ which has never happened before] and that's only because we didn't have that gradual descent into colder temps. I grow them in raised beds and containers to help with drainage. We still had over 40 frosts, but when it's a gradual process, plants can cope. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • @Fairygirl There are a few low growing plants (heuchera and hellebores) but otherwise it has a lot of space around.
    Thank you for your advice - I do get quite attached to certain plants and find it hard to dig them to replace, but maybe I’ll wait until next Spring then make a decision to replace with a new Photinia. I’ll make sure I dig in plenty of grit for drainage too! 👍🏻


  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    When the leaves change to yellow it's often due to a lack of nitrogen.
    There's almost certainly enough nitrogen in your soil, so the most likely problem is that the roots are too wet to be able to absorb it.

    I agree to wait until spring and see how it looks then - it may come back fine next year.
    If you do decide to replace it, dig in lots of organic matter first - that is the most important thing to help with drainage.
    When you plant the replacement dig a deep hole and put more organic matter in first then about 6" grit in the hole you have dug.
    Organic matter is what you need mostly to improve drainage - grit will only help a little.

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Hi Pete.8, that makes a lot of sense about the roots too wet to absorb the nitrogen.
    When you say organic matter, would that include home compost or is there something better to add if I do need to replace it?
    Thank you!
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Home compost is the best stuff you can use :)
    An alternative would be rotted manure.

    I hope it recovers

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Perfect, thank you this is what I have been putting around the photinia (avoiding the stem/base of the shrub).  Thanks I really hope so too!
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