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Pruning New Dawn rose

stephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQstephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQ Posts: 42
edited October 2023 in Problem solving
Hi,

Can anyone advise how best to prune this rose please? I believe it’s a rambler. It’s throwing me off that a thicker stem has branched off one of the main stems.

To me, I was expecting that thicker stem to be shorter and vertical for the secondary stems to come off it horizontally. I felt I had to curve the thicker stem around horizontally, but it means the secondary ones are vertical. I even had some thicker secondary stems (what do I do with those?). I didn’t have time to keep it tidy this summer so hoping to start again for next.



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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Ideally you want to bend all the canes so that they're near-horizontal as possible - that will encourage flowers all along the cane.
    Canes that grow from other canes are treated in the same way.

    In a few years it can get a bit tangled - at that point you should cut away one or more of the oldest canes right back ot the ground so you can keep a tidy framework - that will encourage the rose to send out fresh new canes from the crown.
    Don't be afraid of pruning roses you'd be hard-pushed to do any proper damage.

    I've had a New Dawn in my garden for about 20 years.
    It's growing amongst other shrubs, so I've let it be for many years.
    It would benefit from a tidy up though.

    BTW - it's a climber - not a rambler

    Billericay - Essex

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    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • RedwingRedwing Posts: 1,511
    I like New Dawn and have grown it in a previous garden.  It's lovely but it is not a rambler but rather a climber to about 3m+, quite small actually for a climber. My experience was that it needed little pruning just taking out the old main stems after a few years.  @Pete.8 s idea of training them horizontally sounds sensible.
    Based in Sussex, I garden to encourage as many birds to my garden as possible.
  • stephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQstephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQ Posts: 42
    Pete.8 said:
    Ideally you want to bend all the canes so that they're near-horizontal as possible - that will encourage flowers all along the cane.
    Canes that grow from other canes are treated in the same way.

    In a few years it can get a bit tangled - at that point you should cut away one or more of the oldest canes right back ot the ground so you can keep a tidy framework - that will encourage the rose to send out fresh new canes from the crown.
    Don't be afraid of pruning roses you'd be hard-pushed to do any proper damage.

    I've had a New Dawn in my garden for about 20 years.
    It's growing amongst other shrubs, so I've let it be for many years.
    It would benefit from a tidy up though.

    BTW - it's a climber - not a rambler
    Thank you - I’ve tried to make sure the canes are horizontal. Are there any from the pics that you think I should move around?
  • stephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQstephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQ Posts: 42
    I’ve finally got some time to sort this today. I’m still a bit stuck which bits to trim back. The main cane coming out of the ground sprouted a thick cane about 6 inches up (bottom right). This grew really quickly so I tried to train it as the top tier horizontal cane. It had quite a few shoots come off it, but then shoots came off those and grew rose buds! 

     

    Based on the previous photos, can anyone recommend which canes to prune back or remove please?
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    It looks about right as far as I can see and I don't think there are enough canes yet to worry about pruning.

    My New Dawn is a mass of tangled canes and not trained in any way as it scrambles over other shrubs. I can't get to them to prune as the other shrubs prevent me getting to it.

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • stephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQstephaniedunn1988uwdF9NqQ Posts: 42
    Okay, that’s great, thank you for your reply :) 
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