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Too many berries on Rowan tree

I had to remove my 20 year old Rowan tree as it was dying...........very dull looking leaves and dull berries of which there was an extremely excessive amount
I am not sure what to plant in its place as it was a pretty all year round and not to big
Any suggestions for my Edinburgh garden would be appreciated
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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    I had a mature Rowan many years ago that one year produced a huge amount of berries, but didn't look very healthy. The following year it only had a few leaves then blew over in strong winds.
    It turned out that it had Verticillium Wilt, which I still have in that area of the garden some 30+ years later.
    So maybe best to try and find out why your tree is dying.
    You don't want to replace it with another tree if it's going to suffer the same fate.

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Thanks. I did have someone have a look but they did not mention that, just that it was rotted and I shoud remove it.
    When I broke a small branch off it was black inside as if rotted
    I did not notice any wilting, just as mentioned and also some splitting of the bark.

  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Maybe it is just dying for no specific reason but this article may shed some light-
    https://www.rhs.org.uk/disease/verticillium-wilt

    To get some suggestions for a replacement, it would be a good idea if you could post a photo of the area into which you're going to plant it.

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • have attached photos
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Thanks @janetteallan
    When my tree was cut up there were black rings to be seen on the cut end indicating WV.
    There are no such marks on yours - so good news!

    As a replacement, the first trees that spring to mind would be an apple tree or crabapple.
    Are there any particular characteristics you'd be looking for in a new tree?

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • I was just wondering if I could replace it with another Rowan tree one that does not grow to tall. 
    I already have apple tree in the garden
    alternatively I thought maybe planting a mock orange shrub to fill the gap
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    I'd go with another rowan rather than a philadelphus.
    The taller types of philadelphus virginal (that would get to the same height as your old rowan) grow very straggly. 
    I have 2 in the garden and they don't look great when not in flower.
    Philadelphus aureus is more interesting but very prone to leaf burn in my garden if not in a shady place.

    Something similar but far better than the philadelphus would be an ameliancher.
    Attractive bright red buds in the spring, followed by masses of flowers, then red berries then a fabulous autumn colour.

    If you're going to plant anything in the same spot though,you're going to have to remove the old stump first.
    It should be too much of a trial though.

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Thanks I checked out the plant you mentioned found several (below on bbc tv garden website) so I might go look at nursery today. 

    I also think I might buy another Rowan tree but plant at back of the garden

    Amelanchier lamarckii

    Amelanchier laevis 'Snowflakes'

    Amelanchier grandiflora 'Ballerina'

    Amelanchier arborea 'Robin Hill

    Amelanchier canadensis

    Amelanchier x grandiflora 'Robin Hill'

  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Good idea!
    I have a bog-standard Amelanchier lamarckii which is OK, but there are much better varieties that are on your list.

    There are lots of types of rowan too with different coloured berries.
    I can see blackbirds eating the berries on mine today which grew from a dropped seed many years ago.

    Happy hunting :)

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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