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Is this rose OK
paulbaxendale4813wtYe2ly
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Planted this rose in June . It's the first rose I have tried to grow so any advise would be welcome.
All was well at first it had nice blooms on strong canes that could support them and dark green leaves . When the blooms faded I dead headed them and the rose seamed to goto sleep for weeks then a few weeks ago it woke up .
New growth appeared new leaves and loads of new buds but then the problem's started.
1 All the old leaves followed by some of the new leaves turned yellow and spotty and started falling off
2 The buds take ages opening and most are not opening fully and some hardly atall
3 The Kanes are weak and have to be proper up or they flop over with the weight of the blooms
4 It's a rambling rose da the pilgrim and I got it to grow up the fence but it doesn't seam to be doing much rambling looks more like a shrub.
Anyway here's a few pics .what do you think.
All was well at first it had nice blooms on strong canes that could support them and dark green leaves . When the blooms faded I dead headed them and the rose seamed to goto sleep for weeks then a few weeks ago it woke up .
New growth appeared new leaves and loads of new buds but then the problem's started.
1 All the old leaves followed by some of the new leaves turned yellow and spotty and started falling off
2 The buds take ages opening and most are not opening fully and some hardly atall
3 The Kanes are weak and have to be proper up or they flop over with the weight of the blooms
4 It's a rambling rose da the pilgrim and I got it to grow up the fence but it doesn't seam to be doing much rambling looks more like a shrub.
Anyway here's a few pics .what do you think.
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Does that have access to the ground underneath, or is it self contained?
- that’s normal, repeat flowering roses like you have flower, have a break and then flower again. In very hot summers they can take an extended break. They get better as they mature.
1 All the old leaves followed by some of the new leaves turned yellow and spotty and started falling off
- a fungal disease called black spot, roses are very prone to it especially towards the end of the summer season. Some spray chemicals to control it, but most growers don’t these days for environmental reasons and have learnt to live with it, just picking off the most unsightly leaves.
2 The buds take ages opening and most are not opening fully and some hardly at all
- could be down to wet weather, also the late season blooms are often not as good as those you get in summer. It can still produce blooms for another month or so, but is slowing down and will gradually go dormant heading into winter. All the leaves will yellow and drop then.
3 The Kanes are weak and have to be proper up or they flop over with the weight of the blooms
- what you have are flowering shoots on the canes that were cut down when sent/potted up, so they are naturally floppier as they grow. In time it will send out strong new canes from the base and these are what you need train up and horizontally along spaced, sturdy support wires.
4 It's a rambling rose da the pilgrim and I got it to grow up the fence but it doesn't seam to be doing much rambling looks more like a shrub.
- they do look like that at first, until they grow new climbing canes (see above).
So yes your rose is fine, climbing roses take a few years to fully get their roots down, gather enough energy to grow a good framework of those long climbing canes and to bloom prolifically. Regular deep watering and feeding throughout the growing season will help keep it healthy and vigorous - roses are hungry and thirsty plants 😊
This year has been especially bad for blackspot. When I had The Pilgrim climber it stayed very healthy, but the black spot spores seem to be all over the place this year, probably due to the weather.
Just thinking maybe it's to shady and I should move it and try a honeysuckle there instead but after your reply and Nellie's I think I'll give it more of a chance after all this summer has been a bit of a washout.
Lizzie is right, it’s a repeat flowering climbing rose, not a rambler but so far as I’m aware there is only one ‘The Pilgrim’ (breeder’s code ‘Auswalker’). DA used to list exactly the same roses in both ‘climber’ and ‘shrub’ sections because in theory you can grow them either way. Perhaps they used to do that with TP but it’s only listed as a climber now.
How to train and prune climbers is a whole other topic, but if you need help with that, ask away..
About the blackspot, it will help if you pick up and dispose of all fallen leaves, especially over winter (and cut off any that remain by, say, mid to late December; the plant won’t need them as it will be in hibernation), as they can be a source of continued infection
It doesn’t look too bad in your photo, just snip off any particularly affected leaves as @Nollie mentioned
In terms of watering during the growing season, for a plant that size I would be giving 12 to 15 litres of water at a time — aiming for the roots and avoiding overhead watering/wetting the leaves, which again could encourage blackspot — whenever the top two inches of soil feels dry
Good advice from Athelas too.