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Grape vine pruning and training

Hi,

planted some 20 grape vines last fall.


Never did anything like it before. 


Now they are like this on photo.


I just realised like a month ago, that grape vines need to be trained and staked.

I googled a bit, and plan to do a Guyot system with 2 metre stakes, and 2 level wires. 
Struggling a bit with terminology ).

Ok. But first I need to prune these grapes, wright ?

Is now a good time to do it ? Or wait after leaves fall off ?


Should i leave only one leading stem and tie it to plastic/bamboo stake ? And leave it like this till next year, regarding pruning.

Thank you.

All help appreciated.



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  • We have red grapes (eating) in a greenhouse and white grapes (for wine) outside. Both of them are pruned back after the leaves have fallen. However we do a summer prune to allow air to get in as well as the sun. But then ours are many years old. The red ones are attached to wires along the roof of the greenhouse and any new growth at the bottom of the vine we rub out. This is the same for the white ones which are trained over a large pergola. Again any new growth down the stem is rubbed out in the Spring. The pruning back is very intensive but each year the new growth is very good. This year the harvest for the reds has been fabulous and in a few weeks time we will harvest for the wine...already looking very very good.
    Your vines are still young. They may need to have the vegetation around them removed to allow the moisture to get into the root ball.
  • From you pics, the vines seem to be planted very close together and have a lot of grass/weeds around them.
    Are you planning a Vine yard as such ?  Assume you are in the US somewhere so it may be a good idea to find some local knowledge to give you an idea what and when will help your vines thrive.
    Good luck  :)
  • daca34948daca34948 Posts: 11
    edited September 2023
    Will do weeding in week or two.

    I think spacing is 2 meters. Will have to check it.

    I have one neighbour thats not often around. So no local knowledge is available. Not in the US though.

    I could ask people where i bought plants.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Are you in a suitable area for growing grapes outdoors? 
    That's also important for success, as well as all the other info others have given, especially about removing all the competition around them to get them thriving well. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    Are they wine grapes or grapes for eating?

    They remind me of a French vineyard of wine grapes. The French train them on wire fences, as you mentioned. They are pruned quite severely each winter. Don't prune in spring when the sap is rising or they will bleed sap. In summer when the bunches are starting to form there will be a lot of extra growth waving about. Cut it back to the set of leaves just after the bunches of baby grapes. When the grapes start to ripen remove the leaves that are blocking the sunlight.

    Keep the ground around them weeded. They should look as though they are growing from a bare strip of earth.

    Grapes like a poor, alkali, limestone soil, such as in the South Downs in Kent and Sussex and in the hilly areas of Dordogne and Saint Emilion in Gironde. Sunshine and warmth are essential too, which is why they are often grown in greenhouses and conservatories in the UK.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    https://www.victoriananursery.co.uk/How-To-Prune-And-Train-A-Grape-Using-The-Guyot-Method-Video/

    You may have seen this site. There is a useful video on it that shows how to prune using the Guyot method.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • Thank you all for the input

    Out of 20 neighbors, in the area, everyone has some grapes. That do ok most of the years.

    Yep, the area is suitable,  not sure if ideal, but definitely suitable.

    Will post some pictures after i am done weeding.

    Regarding weeding, I presume something like this i did this spring with cherry tree ?:








    Or mulching i did this with this other tree ?

    Although i read somewhere that mulching is not recommended for grape vines, because it can collect too much moisture ... not sure ...








  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043

    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • Go onto our Royal Horticultural Society website - RHS. There is an A-Z site on looking after grape vines starting at year one.
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