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Wrigs21Wrigs21 Posts: 194
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I’m looking to make some tweaks for next year once this seasons over. Hoping for some suggestions. 

The first part is the bottom bed. The Persicaria are going to have to shift sadly. Seems to love it here but naively when first started planting didn’t realise it’s eventual height so a bit out of place. Shame as good late summer performers. Thinking something silver leafed to offset the purple Sedum. Area is part shade as trees obscure sun light in mid afternoon and clay soil. I tend to plant heavily, mainly perennials. 



The second is the middle bed. The Veronicastrum have been great performers but are too tall for the space and obstruct the top bed. Next to them are some Campanula that flop all over the shop so they’ll be out to. Again part shade to to the wooded area adjacent. 



Like Turkish Sage but not sure it will like the winter down there. Any ideas? 
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  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    Well I really like the Persicaria in the first photo (the dark flowered one; probably Blackfield?) I think the dark colour really works well with the sedum and the silvery foliage!

    The second area does seem more nondescript. You've got silver Yucca rostrata and E characias in there I see. Maybe more purple foliage/flowers to contrast? Sheffield botanic garden have a gorgeous planting of bright blue Salvia patens with a group of that Yucca.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    edited August 2023
    Or how about Rudbeckia? I was just looking at a yellow and white planting on Instagram using Rudbeckia with a few white things and grasses, looked great. If you want to be more in keeping with the other colours, Ecinacea perhaps.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    edited August 2023
    @Wrigs21 I also love the first photo. In a wet clay soil Salvia Turkestanica won't survive the winter.
     
    White Japanese Anemones look lovely with Solidago Fireworks which also has lovely leaves. Not sure if Sesleria Autumalis will be tall enough. Miscanthus Flamingo?

    Persicaria Red Dragon, Sanguisorba Menziesii or the taller S Blackthorn. Pannicum Squaw?

     
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • Wrigs21Wrigs21 Posts: 194
    Thanks both. We’ll spotted Loxley, certainly is Blackfield. I guess it doesn’t push until later in the season whilst everything’s pulling back. Maybe just loose the white Persicaria (can’t remember what that was). The general planting is purple especially in the top bed above, although most has subsided early this year (nepeta, salvias, veronicastrum). I had considered Rudbeckia but don’t have anything else yellow down there so wasn’t sure how it would sit. Will certainly check out the Sheffield botanic garden. I’ve struggled with Salvias down there. Either get too heavy and flop or get nailed by slugs!

    Thanks for the suggestion Suze, I tried Tanna in amongst the grasses last year. Looked great but didn’t return this year sadly :(
  • PerkiPerki Posts: 2,527
    I like P.blackfeild in the first pick to . Agastache - echinops - pervoskia or maybe one of the other nepeta like nuda / kubanica . I'd personally keep the Persicaria it will flower for weeks / months . I grow quite a few sanguisorba they've all been reliable but mine are much larger plants than tanna 

    What colour / season of plant are you looking for in the second picture ?
  • Wrigs21Wrigs21 Posts: 194
    Perki said:
    I like P.blackfeild in the first pick to . Agastache - echinops - pervoskia or maybe one of the other nepeta like nuda / kubanica . I'd personally keep the Persicaria it will flower for weeks / months . I grow quite a few sanguisorba they've all been reliable but mine are much larger plants than tanna 

    What colour / season of plant are you looking for in the second picture ?
    The second picture isn’t great. Below is a better idea of the beds in early season. Thanks for the suggestions. I might try some different Sanguisorbas given two suggestions on that front. Had some Agastache which went great in the first year but sadly didn’t come back. If don’t come back I tend not to plant again. 

    It tends to lean towards purples with Echinops, nepeta, veronicastrum, sedums and Aster late in season 


  • PerkiPerki Posts: 2,527
    I struggle with Agastache to I am a fan of them though . what about Veronica Mariettta or monarda's - plenty of phlox or Eupatorium Baby joe  . Lobelia Habspen purple is a stunner on mass slugs don't seem to like it either .  Sanguisorba do have great foliage as well. I have one called stand up comedian foliage is brilliant flowers are a bit dainty, also have martins mulberry - scapino - Lilac squirrel and some baby menziesii grown from seed .  
  • Wrigs21Wrigs21 Posts: 194
    Perki said:
    I struggle with Agastache to I am a fan of them though . what about Veronica Mariettta or monarda's - plenty of phlox or Eupatorium Baby joe  . Lobelia Habspen purple is a stunner on mass slugs don't seem to like it either .  Sanguisorba do have great foliage as well. I have one called stand up comedian foliage is brilliant flowers are a bit dainty, also have martins mulberry - scapino - Lilac squirrel and some baby menziesii grown from seed .  
    Thank you some great suggestions. I tried Monarda in my first year, looked great for a bit then got hit by powdery mildew. Lobelia Habspen looks great, is it a perennial? Think I need to give the sanguisorbas another shot 
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    edited August 2023
    @Wrigs21 It would seem that gardeners often start with Sanguisorba Tanna. It can get crowded out and you will loose it. There are so many taller ones that are amazing. I grew S Cangshan Cranberry in my old garden where it made 6ft. Another tall one that I love is S Tenuifolia Alba, a stand out plant in a mixed border. There are other that are shorter.
    The maroon Sanguisorbas would work with dark blue Agapanthus or the blue salvia mentioned by @Loxley
    Monarda Gardenview Scarlet is less prone to mildew.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • plant pauperplant pauper Posts: 6,904
    😍 My kind of garden! 
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