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Salvia propogation

Hello
Does anyone have any tips on how to propagate salvia Dysons Maroon and Salvia Caradona from cuttings? I am having no luck. Other salvia varieties take ridiculously easily, but these two.. nothing. Too many failed attempts. Tried south facing window, north facing, with cover, without cover, outside…
Thanks in advance.

Thanks in advance.
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@Loxley, all I have tried is water. You’re right about the dividing Caradona.
@LG Thankyou for the tip. I’m going to just leave the Caradona now and see what happens When algae starts growing in the jar, do you swap jars or just leave it?
@JennyJ thank you for the description. Hadn’t used soil. Maybe that’s what it’s going to take for Dysons Maroon.